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BERRY alain
mermoz37

France
814 Posts
Posted - Jan 05 2010 :  11:09:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
note :
a "no-name" factory design Lubitel (black front paint whith original rivets) may be to be silk screen rebadged in export or just for International exibition ? (never used)
and an original Kristall whithout usual hammered grey enamel.Seem to be factory made like this : soft matt aluminium (whithout any scratches or cracks)...I can confirm never painted.
serial number : 61018045
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/512010_IMG_5725.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/512010_IMG_5720.JPG

Richard Nuttall
Poolhall
United Kingdom
163 Posts
Posted - Jan 05 2010 :  2:23:53 PM  Show Profile  Click to see Poolhall's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Good finds Alain I have heard of non painted Krystall before -I wonder if they were done at the end of production? Maybe when the factory realised the painted finish was not popular? Or maybe they had no paint that day! I say this because I have had 2 different Krystalls one had a greenish primer paint under the hammered finish and one didn't, just the hammered paint, suppose anything is possible if supplies are not there and production numbers have to be kept up

Samsung GX-10,too many Russian Lenses, A lot of Zenits, an Almaz 103 a few Yashica,and finally a Minox35GT
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Michel
France
215 Posts
Posted - Jan 05 2010 :  4:14:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Congratulations, Mr. Berry for these two superb finds !!
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Guido Studer
Guido
Switzerland
255 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jan 05 2010 :  8:59:27 PM  Show Profile  Visit Guido's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello Alain

For the Krystall I can confirm the existence of this variant. Alexander Schulz showed one in his book "Zenit" from 2003 with the s/n 61021914. When I talked to him about this item he said that he had only found this one and never seen an other later.

Also Alexandr on www.fotoua.com shows one of them at this link:

http://fotoua.com/1cameratip.php?seek2=143&seek1=140&usl=&usl1=&seek3=2&rd=4&st=7

He writes that the s/n observed goes from 61017708 to 62032739. The rarity code "R4" shows that's a uncommon camera.

Aidas shows one of them with s/n 62009728 at:

http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?1040184497

(well, maybe it's not exactly the same type of camera or just a variation of it?)

In the book "1200 cameras" you can find one of this kind on page 136 (or has it a chroming like the earlier Kristall 2 prototypes from 1960?). I can't read the text ... :-/

After all it's a very nice camera, one of the ones I like the most in the Zenit collection.

Best wishes - Guido
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Bill Parkinson
nightphoto
USA
969 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jan 05 2010 :  10:31:51 PM  Show Profile  Visit nightphoto's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello Alain,

Very nice finds you have there! Nice way to start the year!

Regards, Bill

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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts
Posted - Jan 06 2010 :  05:35:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
thanks friends for vey informative comments !
So, what can you tell about Lubitel ?
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Jacques M.
France
1277 Posts
Posted - Jan 06 2010 :  07:44:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Just arrived in your collection, but only for the moment, Alain, if I understand well?
Nothing really interesting to say about your Lubitel. But it's the first time I see a non hammered Krystall... Thanks!

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
800 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jan 06 2010 :  09:04:25 AM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/612010_LiliputIIred.JPG

My latest investment



Best regards,
Juhani
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts
Posted - Jan 06 2010 :  09:17:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Juani...
well done : a real rarity !
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okynek
741 Posts
Posted - Jan 06 2010 :  10:59:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Question about Kristal: is top of the camera made from stamped aluminum or it pressure molded as on all Kristals?
Juhani - good way to start a New Year!!!!
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
960 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jan 07 2010 :  02:19:57 AM  Show Profile  Visit AidasCams's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Dear Alain,

congratulations on you new findings!!! Both cameras are great, but I would like to say few words about your NO-NAME Lubitel ... I have an information in my archives, that a limited quantity of No-name Lubitels with new LOMO logo on the lens were intended for foreign distributor indeed. I was lucky to see a camera, identical to yours, but with additional nameplate plaque fixed in the blank place. The particular camera had name "LUNA" and were intended for Greece (???) market ...

... but if I could vote for all cameras shown here, my vote goes for Juhani's Liliput obviously ...

Best Regards,
Aidas
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
960 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jan 07 2010 :  02:25:30 AM  Show Profile  Visit AidasCams's Homepage  Reply with Quote
... knowing, that many members here are the honest Smena camera lovers, let me show you an interesting variation of early Smena-8M camera below ...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/712010_SM-8M_1.JPG

Best Regards,
Aidas

Edited by - AidasCams on Jan 07 2010 02:26:34 AM
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts
Posted - Jan 07 2010 :  04:50:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
dear Okinek : my opinion (I am not a metal work specialist ) it is a die cast aluminium made.
dear Aidas : thanks a lot (as usual !) for information....it will be nice if you can find a picture of "Luna" camera brand (but I think quite impossible now...?)

Alain
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Jacques M.
France
1277 Posts
Posted - Jan 07 2010 :  08:35:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

My very last is a Fed 1b first serie, without clip.
Not exceptional, but I was looking for for at least 2 years...
And it has an interesting one turn lens.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/712010_

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Jacques M.
France
1277 Posts
Posted - Jan 07 2010 :  09:11:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/712010_Fed 1b 1ère série 002.jpg

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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
800 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jan 07 2010 :  09:28:01 AM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:

... but if I could vote for all cameras shown here, my vote goes for Juhani's Liliput obviously ...


Just waiting to see an even more interesting camera here soon

Best regards,
Juhani
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Jacques M.
France
1277 Posts
Posted - Jan 07 2010 :  09:38:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

If it's a vote, no doubt, mine is for Juhani's camera too!
Those coloured Lilliput are pure marvels!

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
960 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jan 07 2010 :  09:43:53 AM  Show Profile  Visit AidasCams's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mermoz37

dear Okinek : my opinion (I am not a metal work specialist ) it is a die cast aluminium made.
dear Aidas : thanks a lot (as usual !) for information....it will be nice if you can find a picture of "Luna" camera brand (but I think quite impossible now...?)

Alain



Alain,

everything is possible in behalf of good friends ... Below you will find a picture of Luna-Lubitel, sent to me by camera collector from Greece some time ago ...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/712010_lubitel-luna.jpg

Best Regards,
Aidas
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
960 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jan 07 2010 :  10:01:22 AM  Show Profile  Visit AidasCams's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cedricfan


Just waiting to see an even more interesting camera here soon

Best regards,
Juhani



Hi Juhani,

may be your beutiful Liliput is waiting for elder brother Liliput?


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/712010_Liliput_brown_early2.JPG

Best regards,
Aidas
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts
Posted - Jan 07 2010 :  10:16:12 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
nothing impossible for you ...damned Aidas !!!
So thanks a lot !
Alain
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
800 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jan 07 2010 :  10:48:50 AM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Just what I waited to see here, the brother! Somehow I knew that you would surprise us

Best regards,
Juhani
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okynek
741 Posts
Posted - Jan 07 2010 :  2:48:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Alain for answer!
I was hoping that top of chrome Kristall made same way as on Zenit 3 - by stamping. I have my theory how Kristall was born. May be some day I'll post it.
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts
Posted - Jan 08 2010 :  04:16:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
okynek ....yes , please tell me now your theory ...even if it is a fantasy ;-) which one can say vodka effects on soviets engineers
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okynek
741 Posts
Posted - Jan 22 2010 :  4:03:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There are my thoughts, which are not backed up by any paperwork, as I know.
I think that Kristall, as Mir-Zorki4, and Zarya-FED2, was mean to be a cheap version of mainstream camera Zenit 3M.
Zenit 3M I think was intended to have lighmeter and slow speeds. All this in 1962.
But manufacturing problems did not let this materialize. And after year or so, KMZ gives up and rename Kristall to Zenit 3M.
Arguments for this theory are camera itself. Look how it constricted; it has special room for lightmeter and for slow speed gears.
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
800 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jan 25 2010 :  10:03:46 AM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2512010_Liliput2.jpg

One more Liliput, and my Maliutka will arrive in the end of this week

Last week I finally bought my first Sniper:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2812010_Photosniper1.JPG

Some filters are missing but otherwise a good kit and a nice price of 71 euros totally.


Best regards,
Juhani




Edited by - cedricfan on Jan 28 2010 1:53:46 PM
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts
Posted - Jan 25 2010 :  11:16:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
congratulation Juani ....good hunter diploma !!!
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
318 Posts
Posted - Jan 28 2010 :  12:50:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello,

I have found a red Liliput, but the price for the camera is too high (I think so). How much must cost this camera today?



Regards, Alexander
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
800 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jan 28 2010 :  1:55:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
My collection is now getting smaller:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2812010_Maliutka1.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2812010_Maliutka2.JPG

And personally I would not pay more than 150 euros for a Liliput, but it is only my opinion...

Best regards,
Juhani
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David Tomlinson
RCCCUK
United Kingdom
194 Posts
Posted - Feb 11 2010 :  03:49:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The latest addition to my collection is this KMZ PS-2 which I found at a London dealers. It's a 1944 model, complete with its four cassettes and orange filter. Unfortunately it is missing its lens hood and lens cap, so I am on the search for replacements.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1122010_FS-2b.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1122010_FS-2a.jpg



David

(http://www.rcccuk.com)
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
318 Posts
Posted - Feb 18 2010 :  2:37:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have got it!!! Yes!!! It is the early soviet plate camera ARFO-Komsomoletz (Nr.02121) in great condition with ARFO leather case and plates! According to the SSK book it ist 2nd release with ARFO-lens.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1822010_IMG_3471.JPG


Regards, Alexander
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Steve
Bull Halsey
USA
229 Posts
Posted - Feb 19 2010 :  4:53:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
David,

What a wonderful find !
It looks to be in beautiful shape.
Good luck in tracking down the few items to complete it.

Congratulations !!

Steve
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Steve
Bull Halsey
USA
229 Posts
Posted - Feb 19 2010 :  4:54:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
David,

What a wonderful find !
It looks to be in beautiful shape.
Good luck in tracking down the few items to complete it.

Congratulations !!

Steve
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
523 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Feb 19 2010 :  5:07:58 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
David,

I think this is a really rare find. I have never seen a FED-Sniper before.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Jacques M.
France
1277 Posts
Posted - Feb 20 2010 :  09:21:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Hi David,
Really a marvelous item. In fact the dream of most of us!
It seems as if the serial number of the body is between c. 40000 and 60000? A late 1b or an early 1c?

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
3580 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Feb 20 2010 :  09:33:38 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Alexander, that's a super rare camera - congratulations!

And David - WOW! You found the holy grail! This piece really culminates a collecting career! Bravo!

Cheers,
Vlad
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David Tomlinson
RCCCUK
United Kingdom
194 Posts
Posted - Feb 20 2010 :  09:39:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Jacques,

The FED body is a late 1b, which surprises me. I would have expected it to be a 1c or even a 1d as the outfit was manufactured in 1944. It is possible that this is not the original FED, as it would be quite easy to swap the mounting plate. On the other hand, maybe KMZ took over the remaining stock of cameras, parts and lenses from GOI.



David

(http://www.rcccuk.com)
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Jacques M.
France
1277 Posts
Posted - Feb 21 2010 :  09:53:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Hi David,

I have in my datas the FS2 serial number 1200 (made in 1944), body number 61557. So an early 1c with 1/1000th, that time.
It was sold by Westlicht auction (auction n° 6).

Probably KMZ were using what they found, including spare parts, to mount these items. Certainly it was not easy to find brand new Fed 1 in 1944!

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
800 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  07:14:21 AM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yesterday it was again time for the finnish collectors fair in Helsinki:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_Z122popeda.JPG

A brand new Popeda 122 serial 95074033


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_Z3m50y.JPG

A mint 50y 3m with printed texts, with the KMZ-prism logo front, serial 67044888 and lens 0368845


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_DSCF1610.JPG

The original Smena, finally!


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_FED_5890.JPG

A fully working FED serial 5890, also something that I have been wanting for a long long time!

Those I bought

Best regards,
Juhani
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
800 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  07:20:44 AM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
These I didn't buy, please look closely to the background cameras also


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_ApoTeleZenitar2.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_FedS.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_Labo.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_Sport.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_Volna10.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_Zenit7.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_RevueHorizon.JPG



Best regards,
Juhani
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
523 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  07:37:05 AM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Juhani,

congratulations, nice, specially the FED 1 one. It's only 9 numbers away from mine, take a look:

http://fotos.cconin.de/kameras/fed1.htm#fed1ac

Why didn't you by the sport or the FED S? What were the prices at the collectors fair in Helsinki?

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
3580 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  09:31:39 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Wow nice loot, Juhani!! Congrats! Is that Smena repaired or this metal bar supposed to be there?

..off to Chicago camera fair now, maybe I'll find me some interesting things.. doubt it though
Vlad
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
800 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  10:22:29 AM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by uwittehh
...FED 1 one. It's only 9 numbers away from mine...

Ha, in time we will have so many near numbers collected here that it is easier to count the missing ones

quote:
Originally posted by uwittehh
Why didn't you by the sport or the FED S? What were the prices at the collectors fair in Helsinki?


Wallet... the prices were reasonable for such rarities, but a huge pile of money though

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
Is that Smena repaired or this metal bar supposed to be there?

I can not see anything wrong comparing to Aidas website, other than using a Zenit battery tube as "foot". I didn't notice that the camera itseöf has a clevery hidden foot

Best regards,
Juhani
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
3580 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  12:44:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Juhani, sorry I thought that metal piece on front was a repair job, but now I see that's just a part of a camera I don't have one so I'm not very familiar with these cameras..

Zenit-122 Pobeda - why is it that they all are found in Finland?

Vlad
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
800 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  12:45:58 PM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
Zenit-122 Pobeda - why is it that they all are found in Finland?


Vodka tourists visiting Leningrad

Best regards,
Juhani
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts
Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  12:54:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hey...I found mine in Paris
by the way : I am looking for a cyrrilics print "Zenit 122" ...if anyone know , please tell me
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
3580 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  1:04:33 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hmm ok . Still I haven't yet seen a Z-122 Pobeda sold inside the former USSR .

Alain, I'll keep an eye for you for that 122 if you keep an eye out for me where to buy Elikon-3 (if you have one for yourself of course already).

Vlad.
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
800 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  1:07:55 PM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
My Elikon-3 is from Germany, or most likely from former DDR

Best regards,
Juhani
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
3580 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  1:14:19 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yea I've been hunting for that camera for over a year already...
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts
Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  04:41:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hey hey...
I just bought Elikon 3,quite new (but badly made!) , two weeks ago in Russia
now my Elikon serie is complete...
Sometime , I am lucky !
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
1424 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  08:35:33 AM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Juhany
Congratulations for your acquisition
According to my still "expert eyes" you have the gratest rarity on the Sport camera (regretably you didn't buy) once its normal lens is made by Kazan. an extremely rare early postwar assembly
regards
LP
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
1424 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  08:39:34 AM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Tomlinson
My hurras on your acquisition the highly praised 1944 PhotoSniper
Regards
LP
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