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Topic author: mermoz37
Subject: just arrived in my collection
Posted on: Jan 05 2010 11:09:03 AM
Message:

note :
a "no-name" factory design Lubitel (black front paint whith original rivets) may be to be silk screen rebadged in export or just for International exibition ? (never used)
and an original Kristall whithout usual hammered grey enamel.Seem to be factory made like this : soft matt aluminium (whithout any scratches or cracks)...I can confirm never painted.
serial number : 61018045
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/512010_IMG_5725.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/512010_IMG_5720.JPG

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Reply author: Poolhall
Replied on: Jan 05 2010 2:23:53 PM
Message:

Good finds Alain I have heard of non painted Krystall before -I wonder if they were done at the end of production? Maybe when the factory realised the painted finish was not popular? Or maybe they had no paint that day! I say this because I have had 2 different Krystalls one had a greenish primer paint under the hammered finish and one didn't, just the hammered paint, suppose anything is possible if supplies are not there and production numbers have to be kept up

Samsung GX-10,too many Russian Lenses, A lot of Zenits, an Almaz 103 a few Yashica,and finally a Minox35GT

Reply author: Michel
Replied on: Jan 05 2010 4:14:57 PM
Message:

Congratulations, Mr. Berry for these two superb finds !!

Reply author: Guido
Replied on: Jan 05 2010 8:59:27 PM
Message:

Hello Alain

For the Krystall I can confirm the existence of this variant. Alexander Schulz showed one in his book "Zenit" from 2003 with the s/n 61021914. When I talked to him about this item he said that he had only found this one and never seen an other later.

Also Alexandr on www.fotoua.com shows one of them at this link:

http://fotoua.com/1cameratip.php?seek2=143&seek1=140&usl=&usl1=&seek3=2&rd=4&st=7

He writes that the s/n observed goes from 61017708 to 62032739. The rarity code "R4" shows that's a uncommon camera.

Aidas shows one of them with s/n 62009728 at:

http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?1040184497

(well, maybe it's not exactly the same type of camera or just a variation of it?)

In the book "1200 cameras" you can find one of this kind on page 136 (or has it a chroming like the earlier Kristall 2 prototypes from 1960?). I can't read the text ... :-/

After all it's a very nice camera, one of the ones I like the most in the Zenit collection.

Best wishes - Guido

Reply author: nightphoto
Replied on: Jan 05 2010 10:31:51 PM
Message:

Hello Alain,

Very nice finds you have there! Nice way to start the year!

Regards, Bill

Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: Jan 06 2010 05:35:10 AM
Message:

thanks friends for vey informative comments !
So, what can you tell about Lubitel ?

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jan 06 2010 07:44:14 AM
Message:

Just arrived in your collection, but only for the moment, Alain, if I understand well?
Nothing really interesting to say about your Lubitel. But it's the first time I see a non hammered Krystall... Thanks!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Jan 06 2010 09:04:25 AM
Message:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/612010_LiliputIIred.JPG

My latest investment



Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: Jan 06 2010 09:17:43 AM
Message:

Hi Juani...
well done : a real rarity !

Reply author: okynek
Replied on: Jan 06 2010 10:59:02 AM
Message:

Question about Kristal: is top of the camera made from stamped aluminum or it pressure molded as on all Kristals?
Juhani - good way to start a New Year!!!!

Reply author: AidasCams
Replied on: Jan 07 2010 02:19:57 AM
Message:

Dear Alain,

congratulations on you new findings!!! Both cameras are great, but I would like to say few words about your NO-NAME Lubitel ... I have an information in my archives, that a limited quantity of No-name Lubitels with new LOMO logo on the lens were intended for foreign distributor indeed. I was lucky to see a camera, identical to yours, but with additional nameplate plaque fixed in the blank place. The particular camera had name "LUNA" and were intended for Greece (???) market ...

... but if I could vote for all cameras shown here, my vote goes for Juhani's Liliput obviously ...

Best Regards,
Aidas

Reply author: AidasCams
Replied on: Jan 07 2010 02:25:30 AM
Message:

... knowing, that many members here are the honest Smena camera lovers, let me show you an interesting variation of early Smena-8M camera below ...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/712010_SM-8M_1.JPG

Best Regards,
Aidas

Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: Jan 07 2010 04:50:26 AM
Message:

dear Okinek : my opinion (I am not a metal work specialist ) it is a die cast aluminium made.
dear Aidas : thanks a lot (as usual !) for information....it will be nice if you can find a picture of "Luna" camera brand (but I think quite impossible now...?)

Alain

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jan 07 2010 08:35:44 AM
Message:

My very last is a Fed 1b first serie, without clip.
Not exceptional, but I was looking for for at least 2 years...
And it has an interesting one turn lens.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/712010_

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jan 07 2010 09:11:05 AM
Message:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/712010_Fed 1b 1ère série 002.jpg

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Jan 07 2010 09:28:01 AM
Message:

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... but if I could vote for all cameras shown here, my vote goes for Juhani's Liliput obviously ...

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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jan 07 2010 09:38:20 AM
Message:

If it's a vote, no doubt, mine is for Juhani's camera too!
Those coloured Lilliput are pure marvels!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: AidasCams
Replied on: Jan 07 2010 09:43:53 AM
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by mermoz37

dear Okinek : my opinion (I am not a metal work specialist ) it is a die cast aluminium made.
dear Aidas : thanks a lot (as usual !) for information....it will be nice if you can find a picture of "Luna" camera brand (but I think quite impossible now...?)

Alain

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Reply author: AidasCams
Replied on: Jan 07 2010 10:01:22 AM
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by cedricfan


Just waiting to see an even more interesting camera here soon

Best regards,
Juhani

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Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: Jan 07 2010 10:16:12 AM
Message:

nothing impossible for you ...damned Aidas !!!
So thanks a lot !
Alain

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Jan 07 2010 10:48:50 AM
Message:

Just what I waited to see here, the brother! Somehow I knew that you would surprise us

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: okynek
Replied on: Jan 07 2010 2:48:31 PM
Message:

Thank you Alain for answer!
I was hoping that top of chrome Kristall made same way as on Zenit 3 - by stamping. I have my theory how Kristall was born. May be some day I'll post it.

Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: Jan 08 2010 04:16:25 AM
Message:

okynek ....yes , please tell me now your theory ...even if it is a fantasy ;-) which one can say vodka effects on soviets engineers

Reply author: okynek
Replied on: Jan 22 2010 4:03:25 PM
Message:

There are my thoughts, which are not backed up by any paperwork, as I know.
I think that Kristall, as Mir-Zorki4, and Zarya-FED2, was mean to be a cheap version of mainstream camera Zenit 3M.
Zenit 3M I think was intended to have lighmeter and slow speeds. All this in 1962.
But manufacturing problems did not let this materialize. And after year or so, KMZ gives up and rename Kristall to Zenit 3M.
Arguments for this theory are camera itself. Look how it constricted; it has special room for lightmeter and for slow speed gears.

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Jan 25 2010 10:03:46 AM
Message:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2512010_Liliput2.jpg

One more Liliput, and my Maliutka will arrive in the end of this week

Last week I finally bought my first Sniper:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2812010_Photosniper1.JPG

Some filters are missing but otherwise a good kit and a nice price of 71 euros totally.


Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: Jan 25 2010 11:16:37 AM
Message:

congratulation Juani ....good hunter diploma !!!

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Jan 28 2010 12:50:17 PM
Message:

Hello,

I have found a red Liliput, but the price for the camera is too high (I think so). How much must cost this camera today?



Regards, Alexander

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Jan 28 2010 1:55:54 PM
Message:

My collection is now getting smaller:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2812010_Maliutka1.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2812010_Maliutka2.JPG

And personally I would not pay more than 150 euros for a Liliput, but it is only my opinion...

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: RCCCUK
Replied on: Feb 11 2010 03:49:22 AM
Message:

The latest addition to my collection is this KMZ PS-2 which I found at a London dealers. It's a 1944 model, complete with its four cassettes and orange filter. Unfortunately it is missing its lens hood and lens cap, so I am on the search for replacements.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1122010_FS-2b.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1122010_FS-2a.jpg



David

(http://www.rcccuk.com)

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Feb 18 2010 2:37:43 PM
Message:

I have got it!!! Yes!!! It is the early soviet plate camera ARFO-Komsomoletz (Nr.02121) in great condition with ARFO leather case and plates! According to the SSK book it ist 2nd release with ARFO-lens.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1822010_IMG_3471.JPG


Regards, Alexander

Reply author: Bull Halsey
Replied on: Feb 19 2010 4:53:29 PM
Message:

David,

What a wonderful find !
It looks to be in beautiful shape.
Good luck in tracking down the few items to complete it.

Congratulations !!

Steve

Reply author: Bull Halsey
Replied on: Feb 19 2010 4:54:08 PM
Message:

David,

What a wonderful find !
It looks to be in beautiful shape.
Good luck in tracking down the few items to complete it.

Congratulations !!

Steve

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Feb 19 2010 5:07:58 PM
Message:

David,

I think this is a really rare find. I have never seen a FED-Sniper before.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Feb 20 2010 09:21:26 AM
Message:

Hi David,
Really a marvelous item. In fact the dream of most of us!
It seems as if the serial number of the body is between c. 40000 and 60000? A late 1b or an early 1c?

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Feb 20 2010 09:33:38 AM
Message:

Alexander, that's a super rare camera - congratulations!

And David - WOW! You found the holy grail! This piece really culminates a collecting career! Bravo!

Cheers,
Vlad

Reply author: RCCCUK
Replied on: Feb 20 2010 09:39:26 AM
Message:

Hi Jacques,

The FED body is a late 1b, which surprises me. I would have expected it to be a 1c or even a 1d as the outfit was manufactured in 1944. It is possible that this is not the original FED, as it would be quite easy to swap the mounting plate. On the other hand, maybe KMZ took over the remaining stock of cameras, parts and lenses from GOI.



David

(http://www.rcccuk.com)

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Feb 21 2010 09:53:09 AM
Message:

Hi David,

I have in my datas the FS2 serial number 1200 (made in 1944), body number 61557. So an early 1c with 1/1000th, that time.
It was sold by Westlicht auction (auction n° 6).

Probably KMZ were using what they found, including spare parts, to mount these items. Certainly it was not easy to find brand new Fed 1 in 1944!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Mar 07 2010 07:14:21 AM
Message:

Yesterday it was again time for the finnish collectors fair in Helsinki:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_Z122popeda.JPG

A brand new Popeda 122 serial 95074033


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_Z3m50y.JPG

A mint 50y 3m with printed texts, with the KMZ-prism logo front, serial 67044888 and lens 0368845


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_DSCF1610.JPG

The original Smena, finally!


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_FED_5890.JPG

A fully working FED serial 5890, also something that I have been wanting for a long long time!

Those I bought

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Mar 07 2010 07:20:44 AM
Message:

These I didn't buy, please look closely to the background cameras also


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_ApoTeleZenitar2.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_FedS.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_Labo.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_Sport.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_Volna10.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_Zenit7.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/732010_RevueHorizon.JPG



Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Mar 07 2010 07:37:05 AM
Message:

Juhani,

congratulations, nice, specially the FED 1 one. It's only 9 numbers away from mine, take a look:

http://fotos.cconin.de/kameras/fed1.htm#fed1ac

Why didn't you by the sport or the FED S? What were the prices at the collectors fair in Helsinki?

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Mar 07 2010 09:31:39 AM
Message:

Wow nice loot, Juhani!! Congrats! Is that Smena repaired or this metal bar supposed to be there?

..off to Chicago camera fair now, maybe I'll find me some interesting things.. doubt it though
Vlad

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Mar 07 2010 10:22:29 AM
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by uwittehh
...FED 1 one. It's only 9 numbers away from mine...

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quote:

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Originally posted by uwittehh
Why didn't you by the sport or the FED S? What were the prices at the collectors fair in Helsinki?

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Originally posted by Vlad
Is that Smena repaired or this metal bar supposed to be there?

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Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Mar 07 2010 12:44:41 PM
Message:

Juhani, sorry I thought that metal piece on front was a repair job, but now I see that's just a part of a camera I don't have one so I'm not very familiar with these cameras..

Zenit-122 Pobeda - why is it that they all are found in Finland?

Vlad

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Mar 07 2010 12:45:58 PM
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by Vlad
Zenit-122 Pobeda - why is it that they all are found in Finland?

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Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: Mar 07 2010 12:54:25 PM
Message:

hey...I found mine in Paris
by the way : I am looking for a cyrrilics print "Zenit 122" ...if anyone know , please tell me

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Mar 07 2010 1:04:33 PM
Message:

Hmm ok . Still I haven't yet seen a Z-122 Pobeda sold inside the former USSR .

Alain, I'll keep an eye for you for that 122 if you keep an eye out for me where to buy Elikon-3 (if you have one for yourself of course already).

Vlad.

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Mar 07 2010 1:07:55 PM
Message:

My Elikon-3 is from Germany, or most likely from former DDR

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Mar 07 2010 1:14:19 PM
Message:

Yea I've been hunting for that camera for over a year already...

Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: Mar 08 2010 04:41:26 AM
Message:

hey hey...
I just bought Elikon 3,quite new (but badly made!) , two weeks ago in Russia
now my Elikon serie is complete...
Sometime , I am lucky !

Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
Replied on: Mar 08 2010 08:35:33 AM
Message:

Juhany
Congratulations for your acquisition
According to my still "expert eyes" you have the gratest rarity on the Sport camera (regretably you didn't buy) once its normal lens is made by Kazan. an extremely rare early postwar assembly
regards
LP

Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
Replied on: Mar 08 2010 08:39:34 AM
Message:

Tomlinson
My hurras on your acquisition the highly praised 1944 PhotoSniper
Regards
LP

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Mar 10 2010 3:22:31 PM
Message:

And now the latest cameras in my collection:



The early FED-1a (No.5298) with green curtains, case, passport and original box.




The "NO NAME" Kiev (No.6306313) with Lens Sonnar Zeiss-Opton 1,5/50.



Regards, Alexander

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 10 2010 3:30:14 PM
Message:

Mmmm Alexander!
Thanks for your two cameras!
Possible to have more details about the passport of your Fed 1a (date, serial number of the lens).
And why green curtains?

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Mar 10 2010 4:00:39 PM
Message:

Hello Jacques,
sorry, it was my mistake. It is not a passport, but simply a user manual. The serial number of the lens is 5977. Why the curtains are green I don't know, but they are really green :


I have found these "green" curtains also in Princelle: "FED type 1a variant 8" (p.94)



Regards, Alexander

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Mar 10 2010 4:22:57 PM
Message:

Wow, those curtains ARE from 75 years ago...
But is there any early FEDs, noname-Kievs and Kyivs left to others than us? Or do the others need them?

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Mar 10 2010 4:32:45 PM
Message:

Alexander,

as I know they have installed green curtains when they didn't have the stuff for black curtains. So it's a real rarity, congratulations.

Your Kiev no name is another nice find, I have looked for it so long but I have never found any... Where do you have these 2 cameras from? :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Mar 10 2010 4:40:05 PM
Message:

Juhani,

about 6000 FED 1a do exist, so there are a lot of them for us... :-) Ok, nobody knows how many survived the years and the war. But I think that there are more than 1000 or 2000 left for the collectors.

KIIVS are more rare, we don't know the number of built items until now. But.. nobody else than us needs them ;-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Bull Halsey
Replied on: Mar 10 2010 8:33:28 PM
Message:

The engraving on the top plate appears to be the same as a model 1b (I think).
Is this correct, and if so are there any numbers as to how many had this engraving?

Thanks,
Steve

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 11 2010 03:11:45 AM
Message:

Hello,
About your Fed, Alexander, I think it is a rarity. Anyway, I never saw another one: it has a "brushed" chrome which could be found (till now) only on 1a with vertical engravings.
This camera should be one of the first 1b, before the one with normal chrome (and always without accessory clip). And after the serial number of the lens, it is original.

As Ulrich says, the 1a are rare: about 6000 were originally made. And a good part of them were probably refurbished at the factory.

The first 1b (YCCP inscription, without clip) are much rarer: probably 1500 to 2000 were produced. As for yours, it is the first!

Concerning the curtains, there is always a camera for sale on eBay with such green ones: a 1d serial number 13xxxx (probably repairs). It is the first time too that I see that on a 1a/1b.

So: Congratulations!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Mar 11 2010 03:34:52 AM
Message:

Jacques: there does exist cromed ones of 1A (type 6), see previous page. And according to Aidas "Serial Number Range: #5.800-#6.000 Quantity: appr. 200 units".
Like Ulrich says it is also my opinion that a great lot of the early FEDs "died" already in WWII, and how many have been rebuilt after that & thus lost their old identity?


Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 11 2010 04:09:37 AM
Message:

Hi Juhani,
There does exist brushed chrome (or galvanized) and plain chrome 1a: I absolutely agree.
But if Alexander's one is a 1b as it seems, it is the first time I see a galvanized 1b!!

As for the died and risen from the dead: impossible to answer your question!
Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 11 2010 04:24:36 AM
Message:

I have just checked that on Aidas's site: this # 5298 should be the real type B1.
Really, that classificator is much more convenient than a paper one...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Sorry Juhani: confusion of words in my previous messages. For me, brushed chrome=galvanized (or machined) opposed to plain chrome.
Blasted English!

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Mar 11 2010 2:40:04 PM
Message:

I have one more galvanized FED-1 with No.6921, but already with accessory shoe (definitely 1b). It is very strange for me, that neither Princelle nor SSK-book tells anything about galvanized FED-1b.

Regards, Alexander

Reply author: Bull Halsey
Replied on: Mar 11 2010 3:15:32 PM
Message:

The same confusion here. I also hace a galvanized camera, #2969.
This camera has the same top inscription of a 1b and also the second style viewfinder, rectangular with the step, not notched. Other than those two features all else is exactly as a 1a. By the serial number I would say I have a 1a but the inscription and viewfinder confuse me.

There seems to be a number of variables with both 1a and 1b cameras.

Steve

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 11 2010 3:44:55 PM
Message:

For me, I discover things I had never heard of!
Alexander, your n° 6129 is a 1b (engraved YCCP)galvanized? So, a second one? Astonishing! (The shoe can have been added, as for some 1a).

Steve, your n° 2969 is another mystery. As you say, there seems to be a great variability between 1a and 1b. Difficult to imagine how the factory used their spare parts.

Thanks for all these novelties. Some more cameras to look for, now!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Bull Halsey
Replied on: Mar 11 2010 3:51:03 PM
Message:

Jacques,

What is your guess as to which model my camera would be?
Keep in mind this camera does not have a shoe.

Thank You,
Steve

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 11 2010 4:11:39 PM
Message:

Hi Steve,

Princelle classifies Fed cameras after the engraving. If we add the second type of rangefinder, and if we follow him, no doubt, your camera is a 1b. Of course, if we only follow the serial number...
About the shoe, the first 1b don't have one (mine, n° 7122 is a regular 1b without shoe).

Another thing is the lens: what is the serial number? Is it a "one turn" or a "half turn"? The first ones were made for the 1a and the first 1b.

It would be very interesting to speculate about the making of your camera: how can it be "out of the rule" at that point (serial number and galvanization)?

All that is most exciting! But as you see, nothing new...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Mar 11 2010 6:40:16 PM
Message:

Alexander, this is fascinating find! Fist time I see a galvanized 1b!! Congratulations! And so close to #6000!

Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: Mar 12 2010 05:23:56 AM
Message:

Hi friend ...
I suggest :
To be the most precise possible when to classify our cameras:
It would be necessary not to use any more the word "galvanized" .
The process employed here (and what I learnt in "60's",when I was technical student) is called "scratching": it allowed an excellent precision of finish of surface a time when we did not still use grindstones ot chrome for finish.
The tool employed for this work is called "hand scraper".

So, According with the philosophy of JL Princelle, we can see there, in the irregularities of the drawing on the metal, a touching signature of those who made these cameras
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For those who want to know more about it, look here: in particular look at the aspect obtained on flat surfaces of machines (precision, approximately : 2 to 3 microns)

http://www.usinages.com/le-grattage-t1158-135.html

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 12 2010 10:35:56 AM
Message:

Of course you are right Alain. And we already talked of scratching together. By the way, which metal is scratched on our Feds?

Anyway, even not galvanized, these scratched 1b are the first I see!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: nightphoto
Replied on: Mar 12 2010 11:44:44 AM
Message:

Yes, Alain, I agree. "Galvanized" is a chemical treatment of a metal surface and these FEDs are finished with a physical action that may be called "scratched" or more accurately, "burnished finish" or "given a circular patterned finish, lightly inscribed into the metal, using a machine tool".

Probably this finish (which varies greatly in individual patterns and characteristics from camera to camera) was made using a type of hand-held machine tool with rough filing stone attached to the end, much the same as one of the attachments seen on modern "dremel" tools, and which was used at FED for finishing and smoothing the rough edges off other parts during production.

Maybe to make it simple in conversation and writing "burnished finish" would be more accurate.


Regards, Bill

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Mar 13 2010 04:39:06 AM
Message:

And didn't FED start with making electric drills, a Black & Decker copy? Which would have meant that they did have the machinery "at home"?

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 13 2010 05:59:02 AM
Message:

Fine idea!
You are probably right, Juhani.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: Mar 13 2010 10:53:32 AM
Message:

It was an hand tool.
I had such a tool in hand in the past (Tugsten steel made whith long handle (about 40 cm handle)
whith 3 rondish sharp hedges.
Whith it , we scrap chrom interiors cylinders on motor engines.
On our camera , metal is hard brass. Surface is hard chrome , no doubt, but you know , it is very difficult to have a clean flat surfaced brass under chrome. So the chrome finish is bad if you do not polish , a long time , the brass surface befaore chrom process.

My opinion is : in the factory they do not know how to do for a soft matt or bright chrome surface as well as they saw on Leica patterns. May be an ingeneer said " try to scrap the chrome as well as you do on FED drill machines"(do not forgot : machine tools making FED drill went from Ostereich at this time (read Makarenko text)whith this nice industrial surface look.

My friends, it was just for having an entertaining conversation about these enigmatic Fed!
Alain

Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: Mar 13 2010 10:58:45 AM
Message:

PS: mine is N° 1964 (step window) "Trudkomunia"

Reply author: nightphoto
Replied on: Mar 13 2010 11:45:08 AM
Message:

Hi Alain,

I believe that much of this scratched or burnished finish was done with machine tools, although probably in small places on the top plate and the sides of the plates, such as around the viewfinder stepped window, they may have also used hand tools.

Of course the factory had machine tools, even at the beginning. It was 1934 ... electricity was available ... and they had electric drills to use which could take different drill bits with wire brushes and grinding stones on them. Othe parts of the early FEDs are buffed and polished by machine.

Here are some photos of my FED No. 1227 (the bottom plate) which show clear signs of having been finished with a drill-like machine, probably with a small circular wire brush attachment (in my own opinion) ;-)


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1332010_IMG_1246.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1332010_IMG_1254.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1332010_IMG_1263.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1332010_IMG_1272.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1332010_IMG_1282.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1332010_IMG_1285.jpg



Regards, Bill

Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: Mar 14 2010 1:57:57 PM
Message:

Ok bill...
I agree ! you are right !
(good sharp "zorki" eyes!)

Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: Mar 14 2010 2:04:59 PM
Message:

just arrived yesterday from Canada :
zenit "DIRAMIC"

!
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1432010_IMG_6036.jpg

it is the first I have never seen so , I am very happy to complete my zenit collection (heavy collection , you know !)
Now, "Delta"zenit from USA is missing ..and also very rare "Meprozenit" from Japan.
if any one know how to buy "Delta" please tell me ....I need it.

Reply author: nightphoto
Replied on: Mar 15 2010 7:41:38 PM
Message:

OK Alain ... I will look for the Delta for you here in the US! Sometimes I see these Zenit-E cameras at the flea markets I go to.

Here is what arrived for me today ... Fed Stereo Lens No. 47 and this one is the first version, probably made in Poland.

This one comes with a FED Berdsk (Serial No. 180403), just as the one on page 109 of Princelle, lens No. 44 is also on a Berdsk.

So, maybe these early versions were all put on FED Berdsk cameras for some reason ... (or is it possible that the early ones are a real product of FED, made in the late 1940s and so put on the Berdsk model? ... probably they are just fakes, butmaybe worth thinking about!)

Regards, Bill


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1532010_IMG_1288.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1532010_IMG_1290.JPG

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Mar 15 2010 7:48:23 PM
Message:

Bill, congrats!! I want to ask everyone a question about these "Stemar" lens though. Anyone ever seen the nozzle for these? Ever?

Something like that?

http://www.novacon.com.br/sistereo3_arquivos/image022.jpg
Source: Luiz Paracampo

Vlad

Reply author: nightphoto
Replied on: Mar 15 2010 8:09:01 PM
Message:

So far, I don't think anyone has seen a nozzle or prism unit for the FED Stereo Lens. That is one of the reasons that even the first version is considered to be fake. The nozzle brings the distance of the two images to be similar to the distance of the human eye and so produces a true stereo illusion. Without the nozzle you will not have as much of a stereo effect ... maybe almost none. When I get time I will try taking photos with this one I have and see what happens.

Maybe there can be some chance that the FED Stereo lenses were made in a small quantity and the nozzle was never made, but it is doubtful since nozzle / splitters were made years later for the KIEV and Zorki (although without a double lens ... just using a normal lens).

Regards, Bill

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Mar 17 2010 7:43:37 PM
Message:

All,

Steve (Bull Halsey) had asked me to post pictures of his two cameras he was talking about in this thread. Steve, I'll let you annotate them, sorry for the atrocious quality, I took these pictures with my blackberry phone, that's all I had with me when Steve was showing me the cameras.

Steve's 1a with a "b" engraving:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1732010_IMG00219-20100316-1853.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1732010_IMG00215-20100316-1852.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1732010_IMG00221-20100316-1856.jpg

Steve's "Stemar":

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1732010_IMG00216-20100316-1852.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1732010_IMG00217-20100316-1853.jpg

Steve, the stage is yours .

Vlad.

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Mar 17 2010 7:52:53 PM
Message:

Bill,

I heard someone say once that these are Lomo Smena or Lubitel lenses in that Stemar, is that easy to check? Unfortunately I didn't think to do that when I was holding one in my hand that Steve had, we had a meeting going on... I wonder if anyone ever took one apart? Just curious what's under the hood if you take off those 4 screws.. . Anyone daring to try?

Vlad

Vlad

Vlad.

Reply author: nightphoto
Replied on: Mar 18 2010 12:26:06 AM
Message:

Vlad,
I have heard they are Smena lenses ... but I don't know. Can be anything. I would not want to take mine apart. Interesting that Steve's is just one number away from mine. And on a different model of FED as well!

Regards, Bill

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Mar 18 2010 12:36:10 AM
Message:

quote:

---

Originally posted by nightphotoor is it possible that the early ones are a real product of FED, made in the late 1940s and so put on the Berdsk model?

---

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Mar 18 2010 1:49:57 PM
Message:

Bill,

I'll try to examine Steve's camera closer next time, maybe he can bring it again to the next collectors meeting here.

Vlad

Reply author: nightphoto
Replied on: Mar 18 2010 2:33:53 PM
Message:

Hi Juhani,

But here is the whole thing I said:

"So, maybe these early versions were all put on FED Berdsk cameras for some reason ... (or is it possible that the early ones are a real product of FED, made in the late 1940s and so put on the Berdsk model? ... probably they are just fakes, but maybe worth thinking about!)"

Although there are good military applications for stereo during war time, you are probably right that it would in no way be a priority to make 35 mm stereo lenses. And aside from that, there have never been seen, as far as I know, and leather cases, passports, or instructions for these lenses. And if I we to bet on the FED Stereo Lens being authentic FED product ... You and me, Juhani would be on the same side of that bet ... no good odds!

Regards, Bill

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Mar 18 2010 3:10:41 PM
Message:

Bill, agreed!

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Mar 18 2010 10:43:47 PM
Message:

oh, and Steve, just to clarify something, I'm not asking if I can take apart your lens , just to look at it again in detail, I never really did beyond taking pictures last time

Vlad

Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: Mar 22 2010 11:19:40 AM
Message:

and to day, a new zenit 122s Snaiper set in red velvet case .
(original)
I never saw before


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2232010_snaiper 122 S set case.jpg

Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: Mar 22 2010 11:21:14 AM
Message:

by the way ....if anyone know how to buy a cyrillics print Zenit 122 ...I am ready
thanks ....

Reply author: Bull Halsey
Replied on: Mar 26 2010 2:56:07 PM
Message:

I jyst received the latest addition to my collection, a Beautiful TSVVS, 1950, #816.
I have to admit to all the positive reports about this camera. The weight and balance, brass body, very smooth shutter, and its clean appearance.

FED, where have you been hiding?

Steve

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Mar 26 2010 6:20:44 PM
Message:

Wow Steve!! Congrats!! You HAVE TO bring it to our next collectors society meeting so I can leave some fingerprints on it!

Reply author: Bull Halsey
Replied on: Mar 26 2010 8:30:23 PM
Message:

:-)
You will have to wear gloves !!

All kidding aside, I'm really surprised as to the build quality of this camera.
The technicians that assembled these cameras knew what they were doing. Obviously the plan was to put together a limited quantity of bodies.

The only thing that throws me is why the smaller viewfinder? Any ideas?

Steve

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 27 2010 10:22:48 AM
Message:

Wonderful! Perhaps I will hunt for a 1950 one to put close to my 1949 TSVVS. But mine was already difficult to find...

The small viewfinder is said to be more precise and the yellow rangefinder would be better for contrast. All that in a plane. But is it a legend? If somebody knows...

My last camera is a Contax Ic with a beautiful and early Sonnar. It is now near its twin bother, my Ia. Both are perfectly working, and a bit OT, I fear! But I could not refrain... And there are too lovers of Contaxes here, he, Michel and Stephan?

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: stephanvdz
Replied on: Mar 27 2010 5:44:21 PM
Message:

last in my collection...
leica n° 1505...
a retina 1 with a tessar...
and various things with zeiss names ...

but it's ot

Stephan

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Mar 27 2010 6:27:27 PM
Message:

Jacques,

I love the Contax too... I have a beautiful II and III and a IIIa. And I love the Leica IIIa and the M3 here... but that's all OT ;-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 28 2010 04:04:21 AM
Message:

Fine!

A I(A) with mushroom release, Stephan?

Ulrich, I own some other Contaxes too, but I think the I are the mst interesting, like the Ia and Ib for Fed.

Perhaps the Boss will decide to close this topic, unless we can prove that Leicas are copies of Fed (and Contaxes of Kievs, of course)?

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Mar 28 2010 04:37:38 AM
Message:

Jacques,

I can not proove that, but I can go back to OnTopic :-)

What do you think about this lens?





Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Mar 28 2010 05:03:24 AM
Message:

Well, old news for me, I have one. Got it for free with a Zenit...

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: stephanvdz
Replied on: Mar 28 2010 10:25:09 AM
Message:

no sadly, n°1505 is now somekind of a IIc ... factory upgrade... but it has seen a lot of use, but mechanics are perfect...
got a black (converted) IIIc too... nice and pleasant to use
I also found a very nice 1938 Ditmar 16mm movie camera (with an integrated selenium cell) with some military history (american side)...

there was a contax II jean on ebay but I was not the only one to spot it, went away far too high for my actual income ;-)

I'm still actively looking for
- a fed-zorki with fast (and how knows slow ?) speed
- a contax 1
and someone who could repair my kiev88s (one without erratic slow speed, one with jammed shutter) ...



Stephan

Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: Mar 29 2010 05:36:41 AM
Message:

Ulrich,
this lens is a little bit common : special edition in 80 'S for Moscow olympic games . you can match it easily on a Zenit 80's body whith such a logo ans so make a nice set.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Mar 31 2010 5:19:04 PM
Message:

Alain and Juhani,

thanks, I thought it was more uncommon :-) But nevertheless I like the lens box with the "golden" name on it.

But another goodie is on the way to me, a FED 1B (Type B3) with serial number 9xxx :-) I hope it arrives the next days to me.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Mar 31 2010 11:26:21 PM
Message:

Here "rare" has a different meaning
What I also like in that Jupi-box is the strap lugs. Many times I wonder how they carried their equipment back in USSR-times. In coat pockets?

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Apr 01 2010 05:28:38 AM
Message:

With a non flush rangefinder (= ridge), Ulrich?
Yesterday, I bought a Fed-Zorki # 02373. The only one which is not in Japan and not bought by Jeff!
Interesting: some details seem later than on my # 03278. I will do a close comparison when I have it.

Really, all that (and specially this topic) is ruinous...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Apr 01 2010 11:23:51 AM
Message:

Jacques,

today the FED arrives here. You are right, it has a rectangular viewfinder with a small step to the top, just like the FED 1B3 on Aidas site.

And you are right too, this thread is ruinous... :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Apr 01 2010 2:22:48 PM
Message:

Jacques,

here it is, it's really beautiful :-)



And because we are all a little bit crazy... today a "few" cameras in a big packet arrived here :-D



Ulrich


http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Apr 01 2010 3:02:16 PM
Message:

OK, finally, perhaps I'm not so crazy!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Apr 01 2010 3:11:25 PM
Message:

Jacques,

well... it was an offer that I could not resist :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Apr 10 2010 1:43:53 PM
Message:

Grmbl... I hate days like this :-) I saw an early Zorki 1b on ebay (serial number 17xxx) and won it. I only wanted to have it for comparison against my Zorki 1a and my later Zorki 1b models and then sell it away...

But it is the smoothest Zorki 1 that I ever have seen. It cocks so easy and smooth, it releases quiet and it looks nice too. So this is a real russian Leica and I have to keep it :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: May 07 2010 4:01:58 PM
Message:

I have found last week a very interesting FED-lens, that I have not seen live before.
It is FED-Stereo (Leitz Stemar copy) with s/n 205. It seems to be a 2nd version with black engraving. It looks optically very good, the diaphragm seems to be working and I am going to try my luck with taking pictures with this lens.




Regards, Alexander

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: May 19 2010 3:44:40 PM
Message:

quote:

---

Originally posted by AlexanderK

I have found last week a very interesting FED-lens, that I have not seen live before.
It is FED-Stereo (Leitz Stemar copy) with s/n 205. It seems to be a 2nd version with black engraving. It looks optically very good, the diaphragm seems to be working and I am going to try my luck with taking pictures with this lens.

Regards, Alexander

---

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: May 19 2010 4:00:46 PM
Message:

By the way... some weeks are gone since the "big packet" arrived here. It was a real surprise. First thougth was "No one has a bag, but all have spools in it!"

Besides the dark brown FED 2 there are some nice things:

A red and a blue FED 2, the red one will replace the one in my collection. If anybody wants to have a nice red FED 2b mail me :-)

A Zorki-Zorki 1b in nice condition with 5 digits serial number and a Zorki 1e like new.

One very nice FED 2a with low 5 digits serial.

And a very late FED 2d Type D7 according to Aidas' site. Serial number starts with 6827.

Some of the other Zorki 1 had broken shutters. Btw, I have seen a lot of broken shutters (holes in the curtains, hard curtains and so on) on Zorki 1c models with serials in between 200000 and 300000 before. Earlier and later Zorkis mostly have intact shutter curtains.

Ulrich
PS: The blue and my red FED 2, the Zorki 1e are to sell :-)

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: May 19 2010 4:03:34 PM
Message:

Hello Ulrich,
you are right, it is crazy to collect russian cameras at all . I just wanted to see it live and now I have the perfect possibility to do it! I don't worry about the price, this lens goes on eBay with the same price as I got it

Regards, Alexander

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: May 27 2010 2:12:33 PM
Message:

Another nice find :-) Today a silver Telemar 22 5.6/200 arrives here. It has M42 mount and serial number 000170. I think this is a nice low number :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Poolhall
Replied on: May 27 2010 4:44:03 PM
Message:

Thats funny Ulrich, I recently got a black m42 Telemar 22A serial 000415- great minds think alike. As a matter of interest the writing on the filter end of my lens is in roman not cyrillic script, I have not seen many pics of this lens but they all have cyrillic lettering -what is yours if I may ask?. BTW I have taken some shots with it and its not bad, a little low in contrast but very light and handy to use.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2752010__G109142.jpg



Samsung GX-10,too many Russian Lenses, A lot of Zenits, an Almaz 103 a few Yashica,and finally a Minox35GT

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: May 28 2010 12:08:35 AM
Message:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2852010_Telemar22.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2852010_Telemar22_3.JPG

Mine



Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Aug 12 2010 1:43:29 PM
Message:

Today a nice Zorki 3 arrives here. A set I have never seen before. Camera in good condition, leather bag with the small plastic card, instruction booklet (never have one of the Zorki 3 seen before), papers in the booklet and Zorki 3 box!

The best is, the camera number on the box, on the papers and on the camera itself are the same, the lens serial number is the same as in the papers. So an original Zorki 3 set. I have never seen one before.



Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: jed
Replied on: Aug 13 2010 01:20:59 AM
Message:

Congratulations ! Even the box looks brand- new !

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Aug 14 2010 4:26:29 PM
Message:

Jed,

yes, the box is really like new, as the whole camera. I have CLA'ed it today and now it looks as it comes out of the factory yesterday. Really nice and a very fine piece for my collection. It seems that it wasn't used for decades. Inside the camera was a small piece of paper with writings "Zorki 3, Jupiter, Box, Bag, Booklet, 4|2|1974". Maybe the seller or someone else has bought it in 1974 and never used since that time.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Aug 17 2010 09:39:20 AM
Message:

Bravo for this brand new 1954 Zorki 3, Ulrich!
The papers and the box are most interesting. But certainly you have room enough to collect all that is interesting!
Considering the serial number, I suppose your Zorki is a "classic" 3?

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Aug 18 2010 4:09:59 PM
Message:

Jacques,

thanks. Yes, it seems to be a classic Zorki 3, it has the stand foot like a Contax or early Kiev. But it has an arrow instead of a point engraved as marker for the speeds on the top. And the lens is one of the Jupiter 8 that is of older build type (the one that is not easy to disassemble :-)

And about the room for collecting all of them... don't aks :-D

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Sep 17 2010 11:08:01 AM
Message:

Just received this morning, a Kiev IIIa with Ukrainian engravings, a stereo set and an unexpected Zeiss Opton 1,5/50mm.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1792010_kiev 001.JPG

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Sep 17 2010 4:11:40 PM
Message:

Jacques,

congrats to the KIIV IIIa and the stereo set. The camera looks really nice.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Oct 14 2010 3:04:15 PM
Message:

To push this thread a bit :-)

Today a never seen before I-50 arrived here. A collapsable version with printed aperture, name and KMZ sign on the front plate and an engraved number on the focus ring. It's made in 1959.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Oct 14 2010 3:42:19 PM
Message:

Hello Ulrich,

do you mean this one? It is also from 1959 (No.5950127)





Regards, Alexander

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Oct 14 2010 3:53:19 PM
Message:

Alexander,

right, it's the same one. Mine has number 5915598

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Oct 14 2010 6:24:35 PM
Message:

Well, here's a curios lens... A M39 J-12, serial number starting with 87, so it should be from 1987. Made by LZOS. But it is silver! It looks like new, no marks of transplating a newer lens barrel into an old house. Until when do they have built silver J-12?

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Oct 21 2010 07:19:53 AM
Message:

Received this morning a 1949 Fed-Zorki with the correct lens. And two war time LTM Zeiss lenses: Sonnar 1,5/5cm and collapsible 2/5cm. Both T coated.
Fabulous!

I will open in a while a topic about war time Zeiss lenses, as forerunners of ZK...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Oct 31 2010 3:46:51 PM
Message:

Jacques,

congratulations to the FED-Zorki and the two lenses. What are the numbers of the Sonnar lenses?

As I said in the TSVVS thread I own one now. Here are some pictures after cleaning and reassembling it (maybe I disassemble it again to take comparision photos between it and a FED).







Unfortunately the lever that locks the lens was missing, so I replaces it by one of a Kiev. But this one is a bit too long so the lens does not sit correctly in the middle. But as I have seen on IIRC Yuris site there may exist other TSVVS's with such lever and I have also seen pictures where this lever is missing.

Different to the one of Bill is that the handle to focus the lens is a big wider than the one on his, but I also have seen these wider handles on some pictures. Seems that they made different handles during the 2 years of production.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Nov 01 2010 05:34:25 AM
Message:

Hi Ulrich,

Two friends of mine have too slightly "incomplete" TSVVS. The one with the same part as you, the second with an incorrect release button (replaced by a Fed one). Perhaps the factory had some problems with parts?

Your TSVVS looks new now! Perhaps I could send you some tens of cameras to clean?

My Sonnar lenses just arrived:
- 2/5cm T coated collapsible serial # 2711193,
- 1,5/5cm T coated (rigid)seial # 2786907.
Both with Leica screw mount.

It should be great to know more about the production of Zeiss during WW2. At least to have starting points for ZK lenses... I promised a topic about that problem. Not enough time actually!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Nov 02 2010 4:22:18 PM
Message:

Hi Jacques,

interesting, so it could be that mine was delivered without the lever and that the use of the two different levers was normal.

The serial numbers of your 2 M39 Zeiss lenses match the range I know about, so they may have been built in 1944. I have some articles about the production of M39 Zeiss lenses and some about the evolution of the Contax to the Kiev, but they are all in german. If you are interested in them let me know, I can send them to you. Or maybe Vlad can make a new topic in the history and documents section so that I can upload them.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Nov 03 2010 06:07:58 AM
Message:

Hi Ulrich,

By the common datas, these lenses would have been made a bit earlier, perhaps in 1942 or 1943. But there is an evident lack of precision for these years...
Certainly Vlad might open a new section in the part "history and documents": these information would be useful for anybody interested by Kiev. He could add too the two articles I noted in the topic "forerunners of Kiev 1947". If he thinks that useful.

Anyway I send you a PM: I will manage to translate these articles!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Nov 03 2010 7:57:22 PM
Message:

Hi Jacques, what articles are you talking about?

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Nov 04 2010 03:58:24 AM
Message:

Here they are. I had pointed them in the topic "forerunners of Kiev 1947".

"
For those who are interested, two fascinating articles written by specialists:
- Kiev Rangefinders, by Peter Hennig
http://www3.telus.net/public/rpnchbck/zconrfKiev.htm
- After Dresden: the migration of the Contax to Jena and Kiev (Larry Gubas)
http://www.zeisshistorica.org/sample.html"

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Nov 16 2010 3:42:03 PM
Message:

Just saw it on eBay about two weeks ago - a Sokol 2 for a "buy it now" price of 9,95 Euro. Today it arrives, it seems to be an unused camera and it works fine. Even the mercury cell has enough power :-) It is made in 1983 and has the yellow/red squares on the top.

Sokol is like a brick, but I like those bricks :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Valkir1987
Replied on: Nov 26 2010 3:36:29 PM
Message:

Just finished in my collection. :) A Fed 1f with serial number 232966. I really doubt the ring of the release collar is from Fed originally.

There was no lens unfortunately, so I decided to use a Leica compatible lens mount from a spare Zorki C. Shimmed it down to 28.8mm, still have to adjust correct readings for close focus!

Got it as a bunch of parts with cracked curtains, and put in new curtains. Cleaned out all the gears and treated the axes and some moving parts with special mineral watch oil. Believe me, that makes such a difference compared to other oils like; gun oil, sewing machine oil, wd40, machine oil, etc!
Its smooth and silent now, like a watch!

It must be tested nowadays...

Regards! ;)

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Nov 27 2010 06:30:44 AM
Message:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1466&whichpage=3

To whoms collection will this onen end?
And now the big question: is it a genuine one?

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: Valkir1987
Replied on: Nov 27 2010 10:55:05 AM
Message:

Dear Juhani,

The link you posted is not the one you would like to show us! :)

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Nov 27 2010 10:58:46 AM
Message:

Well it kept me occupied for a while lol! circular links are always fun hehe

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Nov 28 2010 05:21:56 AM
Message:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310274531309

Truly sorry!

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Jan 26 2011 5:42:07 PM
Message:

Up with this thread! :-)

Today a KIEV II from 1950 arrives here. It's the version with engraved instead stamped cyrillic and latin name on the front mask. I have never seen one before. It seems to be all original. It is different in some parts from later KIEV II, the front mask material is thicker, the shutter has a hand engraved number, the long rangefinder glass inside looks like one of a Contax, more pieces inside are made of brass, the numbers on the focus ring are seperated with commas instead of points, the self timer lever is smaller. Serial number is 500397.

Very interesting in my opinion. I make some pictures the next days of it and show them here.

Unfortunately there was no lens but I own a matching Jupiter 8 from 1950 that will fit perfectly :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jan 27 2011 05:52:57 AM
Message:

Really interesting, Ulrich!
I own two 1950 Kiev, later than yours. I will post photos after!
My last "just arrived" is a Leica IIIc with red shutter, on which I have put a correct 1,5/5cm Sonnar wartime. So, I don't tell anything!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Jan 27 2011 4:19:00 PM
Message:

Hi Jacques,

yes, really. Here are some pictures it, it still lies partly disassembled on the table :-)

The pictures are compared to an unfortunately broken KIEV II from 1953. So only 3 years difference but a lot of small things that have changed. On the left side the 1950 KIEV II, right side the 1953 KIEV II.

First the serialnumbers of the shutter:



The rangefinder prism, the left one looks Contax like:



The focus wheel, the 1950 one has a Contax style:



The meter scale, the 1950 one has commas instead of points and the engraving looks smoother:



The standfoot, the left one seems to be made out of brass and the grooves on the flip out piece are a little bit deeper inside:



The arrow of the selftimer:



Last but not least the shoe with the serialnumber and the engraved mask of the 1950 one:





More pictures when I have cleaned and reassembled it :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jan 28 2011 05:32:48 AM
Message:

Hi Ulrich,
I had heard of these double engraving 1950 Kiev II, perhaps on this site. And you have one of them! Congratulations!
The external parts of my two Kiev II (serial numbers 503737 and 506446) are the same as yours: same meter scale with commas, same triangular standfoot, but entirely in aluminium, same arrow on the selftimer. Probably this early 1950 is closer to Contaxes II, and contains more Contax parts.
I cannot tell anything about internal parts: I don't dare to disassemble a Kiev/Contax!

The most interesting is of course the front engravings (no "Contax" at the reverse?) and the shoe...

I have just bought a Jena Contax, last batch, from 1951. Perhaps we could meet to compare all that?

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Jan 28 2011 3:25:02 PM
Message:

Hi Jacques,

there is one more thing, the lever of the selftimer is smaller, not so wide. It's the same as the on on my '49 Kiev II or on my Contax II.

A comparison against a Jena Contax of 1951 would be intresting :-) I did not know that they were built until that year.

And here is the 1950 Kiev II after cleaning and reassembling:





Look at that shiny chrome :-) There you can see the smaller lever.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jan 30 2011 08:32:25 AM
Message:

Ulrich,
About the selftimer lever, I don't see any difference between your 1950 Kiev and my own 1950 ones, or even my 1936 Contax and the 1948 contax Jena. But perhaps I don't look at the correct part?

Once more, it seems that the question of the groove on the distance wheel remains open... All Contaxes have this groove, and it seems there is no rule for Kievs: some early have not, later ones have it... For my two 1950 ones, one has, not the other.

Bravo for the cosmetics. Very impressive! Does it work as fine as it looks?

Now, about Jena Contaxes. It's partly thanks to you that I know better these rare things. The 7th page you sent me a while ago shows the dates and numbers of production of Jena Contaxes and early Kievs, from 1946-47. So, the 1947 Kievs are the rarest ones (some prototypes + 450 production items). After, it's almost a motorway with 2000 1948 Kievs and 3500 in 1949. To compare with c.1400 Jena Contaxes between 1946 and 1951 (last batch of 100 items in 1951). As soon as I receive the 1951 Jena Contax, I will dig up the thread about "Kiev forerunners".

So, thanks again, even if I sweat to undestand German!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Jan 31 2011 3:26:10 PM
Message:

Jacques,

the self timer lever is a little bit smaller in the width, just about 1mm. It can be seen at the screw.

About the grooves, yes, all Contaxes have the groove in the middle, my KIEV II 1949 has it also. This must be parts that left over from german production and were mixed with russian parts during assembling. The wheel on my 1950 has the grooves on the side which are typical for the Contax, but does not have a groove in the teeth.

It works really good, the shutter runs as one of a Contax. When I disassembled it I also opened the shutter housing to take a look at the shutter. There is a small part of leather on the bottom of the first curtain that stops it at the end. On original Contax shutters this is glues with shellac, on the one of the 1950 Kiev also :-)

Ahhh, yes... I've read the articels some years ago, the details are gone out of my brain ;-) I also know that there are KIEV II existing that have "Carl Zeiss Jena" engraved in the shoe. So, who knows where these 1950 export KIEV II was built? Maybe in Jena?

Ulrich


http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Feb 01 2011 11:27:10 AM
Message:

After checking, you are right for the lever of the selftimer: it's a bit larger on my 1958 Kiev IIIa. But not on the other Contax/Kiev I own (1936-1950).

About your double engraved 1950 Kiev II, I don't think it could have been made in Jena. In fact, Jena Contaxes were probably only prototypes for Kievs and the Russians had only one idea: make the cameras at home and by themselves. Hence the shipping of all the production material to Kiev as soon as possible. I would even think that a part of the Jena Contaxes were made at Kiev! That would explain why some of the later ones (in the 30500-30600) have a front plate marked KIEB, and always a Jena accessory shoe!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Feb 06 2011 11:45:21 AM
Message:

Hi Ulrich,
It seems there is the same here:
http://www.dvdtechcameras.com/collect/arsenal/arsenal.htm see collection, Kiev 2 1950, 3.
With double engraving too, on front and on the shoe.

You are no more alone!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Feb 10 2011 4:06:26 PM
Message:

Jacques,

nice, the camera on dvdtech looks nearly the same as mine. It's interesting, that the *engraved* double name seems to be used until 1954. Now I am looking for a 1947 Kiev But I think, I'll never get one...

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Omega
Replied on: Feb 12 2011 04:10:01 AM
Message:

Polish WZFO START camera that hides in its interior a F21 which allow taking pictures in the back of the camera.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1222011_Start-F21.jpg

Camera I was sold on the auction site Hungarian: http://fenykepezo-kamera.teszvesz.hu/fenykepezogep/analog/index_c1315.html

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Feb 12 2011 3:01:29 PM
Message:

Omega, absolutely amazing!!! This the first time I see this kind of spy cover for F-21! Thank you very much for posting this, I will add this to catalog.

Best regards,
Vlad

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Feb 12 2011 3:13:58 PM
Message:

Omega, do you have any more images of this piece? Where did you find it?

Thanks,
Vlad.

Reply author: Omega
Replied on: Feb 16 2011 09:07:36 AM
Message:

Vlad,
I take a picture of my camera and I'll send you good quality photos. Can you give me your e-mail?

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Feb 16 2011 7:24:22 PM
Message:

Omega, thank you! I will send you a private message.

Vlad

Reply author: Omega
Replied on: Feb 27 2011 05:29:08 AM
Message:

ALBAR 15: Body nr 9315068. Shutter 1 / 30 - 1/1000s
Build quality really bad.
I completely disassembled the mechanism and further adjusted and reassembled.
Calibrated cell.
Now in perfect working condition.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2722011_Albar15.jpg

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Feb 27 2011 06:28:05 AM
Message:

The quality is typical...
But with 1/1000 speed you have a rare specimen!

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: RCCCUK
Replied on: Feb 28 2011 02:17:01 AM
Message:

Hi Juhani,

The Albar-15 is certainly a fairy rare camera, but the entries (only 4) in the Wiki catalog suggest that the version with a top speed of 1/1000 may be the more common. I have seen very few with a top speed of 1/500 and I have never seen one with the shutter speed range of 1 sec to 1/1000, so perhaps that is the rarest version. If there are any other Albar-15 owners out there, please add your cameras to the Wiki Catalog.

David.

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Feb 28 2011 07:56:28 AM
Message:

Must do some homework, but I have seen three with 1/500 and one with 1/1000 and also one with a different shutter speed engraving type: speeds "along" circle and not "through". I do have a picture at home to upload!

The different dial picture now uploaded, and added speed info to mine. Next weekend I will get one more serial number.

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Mar 10 2011 1:51:02 PM
Message:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1032011_Albar15_1.JPG

One more "1/500s" from Finland, body serial 9314679, with rare lens 50mm f/1,8 Helios-77M-4 serial 92005985



Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Mar 10 2011 1:57:47 PM
Message:

This weeks newcomers:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1032011_DSCF1627z_1.JPG

A rare black top version of Smena-6, so this is second black top version in my collection


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1032011_DSCF1645o2.JPG

Smena 8AM, version of 8A with self-timer


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1032011_GOMZ Sport.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1032011_GOMZ Sport4.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1032011_GOMZ Sport5.JPG

The GOMZ Sport is #2087, looks great and even works! GOMZ logo is excellent, but flash makes it darker than should

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Mar 10 2011 3:23:11 PM
Message:

Hi Juhani!
Great GOMZ-Sport! Congratulation!
I have just one question about. I have two early Sports with six screws on the top plate and both of them have a serial number engraved inside the camera (363 and 882 as you see on pictures). Does your camera has one as well?


GOMZ-Sport s/n 363


GOMZ-Sport s/n 882


Regards, Alexander

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Mar 10 2011 10:54:45 PM
Message:

Thank you!
I did notice your pair, and I have wanted one for years, so when I finally found this I just had to have it.
Yes, 587 or 597. The stamp is so poor that I need more than my eyes to be sure which.

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Mar 19 2011 7:02:09 PM
Message:

Juhani,

congratulations to the Sport. It looks really cute :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Mar 19 2011 7:05:34 PM
Message:

My newest find, a Leningrad Stereoskop in original box with slides and stereo pictures. The colors of the slides have gone over the years, but it's a nice find at all.





Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 21 2011 07:59:03 AM
Message:

Hi Ulrich,

Really funny.
When young (at 10-12 years or so, so in 1955 or about), I was offered exactly the same stereoscope, but written in latin caracters. A very good product, with a regulation by the black central wheel (which was red on my model).
Unhappily, it disappeared, I don't remember where or when...

So, is yours a copy? Do you have a date for it?

Amitiés. Jacques.
PS: congratulations for all these "Sport", Juhani and Alexander. When I have finished with my Contaxes, I will hunt one...

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Mar 21 2011 3:42:21 PM
Message:

Jacques,

there were some papers in the box. One instruction sheet that shows the date 9/11/62 printed on it and one piece of paper that seemed to be around the big slides, this one is stamped 1969.

So maybe the Stereoskop itself was made in or after 1962 and the slides were bought by somebody in 1969?

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 22 2011 06:11:29 AM
Message:

Interesting!
Here is the stereoscope Bruguière I had when a child (taken on eBay).
Not much differences compared to the Leningrad's...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2232011_stereoclic Bruguiere.jpg

So, the Leningrad could be a copy?

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Mar 22 2011 4:57:52 PM
Message:

Jacques,

take a look at this website:

http://www.viewmaster.co.uk/htm/leningrad.asp

It seems to be an exact copy :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Omega
Replied on: Apr 03 2011 04:45:07 AM
Message:

On my last trip I brought two cameras very interesting:
Zenit 18 in perfect working order, despite evidence of gross repair and
Zenit 312m + Helios 77m-312m-4 1.8 / 50 best condition.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/342011_Zenit18.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/342011_Zenit312m.jpg

At the same time I brought the whole box of different Zenit type TTL that will serve me as spare parts for my repairs.

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Apr 03 2011 2:12:19 PM
Message:

Two very nice lenses appeared today in my collection:


Jupiter-6 und Helios-40

I have just updated the catalog and added some more interesting lenses.


Regards, Alexander

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Apr 03 2011 8:06:09 PM
Message:

Jacek, the 312m and the 412 cameras although fairly new Zenits seems to be rather uncommon now, congratulations. Zenit-18 is also a very nice acquisition! I don't see those much as well.

Vlad

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Apr 11 2011 5:18:03 PM
Message:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1142011_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1142011_02.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1142011_03.jpg

What do you think about this camera? Serial is 8786

Reply author: RCCCUK
Replied on: Apr 14 2011 09:13:16 AM
Message:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1442011_Rubin1.jpg

I have just added this Rubin document scanning camera to my collection and have updated the Wiki Catalog with additional photos and information.

David.

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Apr 26 2011 3:18:39 PM
Message:

ZENIT-E GLOBAL
I dont know, is it common or not?
serial is 69050505


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2642011_zenitglobal.jpg

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Apr 26 2011 7:35:50 PM
Message:

Hello Martti! Yes this is a very uncommon version as far as I know, made for Australian market. Congratulations!

Cheers,
Vlad

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Apr 27 2011 2:07:31 PM
Message:

Martti,

great Global-Zenit, I have never seen one before.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Apr 27 2011 2:12:02 PM
Message:

We have a "Sport-Invasion" here :-) Today mine arrived. It's a later one (btw: serial on lens is the serial of the camera?) number 12675.
It looks good and works on all speeds and the finder is clear and bright.

I have one question to the lens. If you take off the lens and take a look from behind on it there is a lever with a small spring. Unfortunalety this spring is gone off on my lens and I don't know how to reinstall ist. Can anybody post or mail me a picture of this part of the lens?

So it looks as it comes out of the packet :-)



Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Omega
Replied on: Apr 28 2011 2:50:55 PM
Message:

Zenit 122 50 Years KMZ Special Edition # 50926455 The Best condition!


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2842011_Zenit 122 50.jpg

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Apr 28 2011 3:05:50 PM
Message:

Jacek,

really nice. It looks like new. Congratulations.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Apr 28 2011 3:08:56 PM
Message:

By the way...

I like the "Sport". After examinig and cleaning it it is just a lovely piece of handcraft. A lot of things look handmade. And it is so small even it has the big house on the top :-)

Ulrich
PS: Any ideas how to reinstall the spring that fixes(?) the lens?

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
Replied on: Apr 30 2011 11:54:44 PM
Message:

Helllo Ulrich
I prepared these photos Be fun!
Regards LP
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/3042011_sb7.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/3042011_sb6.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/3042011_sb3.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/3042011_sb5.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/3042011_sb4.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/3042011_sb2.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/3042011_sb1.JPG

Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
Replied on: May 01 2011 12:28:06 AM
Message:

and what about these similarities? they did not end in those ones.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/152011_similarities.JPG

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: May 10 2011 05:18:12 AM
Message:

Here it is, my firs elikon (from 2, 3, 4)


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1052011_elikon.jpg

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: May 24 2011 06:07:23 AM
Message:

And next one, beautiful!!! Year 72


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2452011_z80.jpg

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: May 30 2011 2:58:17 PM
Message:

Right, Luis.
I was too astonished by the similarities between the fronts of the Contax I and the Sport...

As for me, my "just arrived" will be a Zorki 1a I was looking for since a while. When it is here! Thanks to Alex K....

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jun 08 2011 11:03:14 AM
Message:

Two pictures of my rare Zorki 1a ex-Alex:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/862011_Zorki 1a 001.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/862011_Zorki 1a 002.JPG

I put on it a lens one year too late; I will change it soon.
As for the shutter release collar, it can be unscrewed, contrarily to what the JLP says.

The problem is: what will I have to look for now?

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Jun 09 2011 02:52:00 AM
Message:

Zorki is great!!!
Now you have to look for FED KMZ!!!

My earliest zorki is 14060!


Best, Martti

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jun 09 2011 12:03:54 PM
Message:

A Fed KMZ, what a good idea!
Why not too a Fed b (the S with slow speeds) and a Kiev 1947?
A Fed NKAP, it would be too easy!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Jun 13 2011 07:07:23 AM
Message:

You are right, Jacques.
With FED-NKAP it was really too easy




But I have got a wonderful FED 100mm lens with (very rare to find) genuine FED viewfinder:





Regards, Alexander

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jun 13 2011 07:48:59 AM
Message:

Hi Alexander,
Bravo for this nice looking NKAP!
Think of me if you have too much of them!

Amitiés. jacques.

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Jun 13 2011 12:22:16 PM
Message:

NKAP is just fantastic! In Estonia theres not one of it (I think).
Here is my FED 100mm with orginal cases!


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1362011_ver1_1.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1362011_ver1_2.jpg

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Jun 13 2011 12:27:58 PM
Message:

And AlexanderK, turn around your viewfinder, then it is right!

Best,
Martti

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Jun 13 2011 12:47:02 PM
Message:

Martti,
you are right, of coure . I have quick put it on to take the picture.
By the way, very interesting case for the viewfinder. I have seen (and also own) only the leather one.

Regards, Alexander

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Jun 27 2011 2:05:20 PM
Message:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2762011_DSCF6642.JPG



Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: Omega
Replied on: Jun 29 2011 05:55:37 AM
Message:

The Zenit came to me from Poland. Mechanical works, but the cell is replaced.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2962011_zenit6.jpg

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jun 30 2011 07:09:08 AM
Message:

Hello Jacek!

Bravo pour ce très beau Zenit 6, peu commun, avec son Rubin. Du solide et du lourd!
Amitiés. Jacques.

(Congrats for this very fine Zenit 6, heavy, well made and not so common. And for the enormous Rubin!)

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Jul 10 2011 1:24:21 PM
Message:

Moment #530183:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1072011_Moment.JPG

And a general picture of my new old FED #3618:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1072011_FED_3618.JPG



Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jul 11 2011 04:41:56 AM
Message:

A very fine 1a, Juhani!
The metallurgy of the viewfinder is almost "handmade", to compare with my # 5330 which looks more "factory made". Some improvement between the two...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Jul 11 2011 10:51:42 AM
Message:

For the Moment, is the serial number only the serial number of the lens? Or does the body has also a serial number, and where I can find it please?

Fred

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Jul 12 2011 01:25:51 AM
Message:

Hello Fred,
YES, the "Moment" cameras have the only serial number on the lens.

Regards, Alexander

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Jul 12 2011 04:03:15 AM
Message:

Hello Alex

Thank you for information...
I have been searching for so long time to find a second number on my bodies.....

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jul 17 2011 08:32:02 AM
Message:

An interesting 1949 Kiev III not common.
A comparison between this one and a wartime Contax III. Soon!

Amitiés. Jacques.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1772011_Kiev III 1949 001.JPG

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Jul 17 2011 09:07:39 AM
Message:

Bravo, Jacques
rather rare camera.
I found Kiev-III from 1948 some time ago. Perhaps they have much in common.




Regards, Alexander

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jul 17 2011 09:29:48 AM
Message:

Yours is much rarer, Alexander.
It has an "A" serial number?

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jul 19 2011 12:06:43 PM
Message:

My last born: a 1949 Kiev II.
More common than its brother 1949 III.
Jacques.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1972011_Kiev II 1949 016.JPG

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Jul 24 2011 4:27:40 PM
Message:

FED 1948 ZORKI, unfortunatley without orginal lens...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2472011_fedzorki.jpg

Reply author: Omega
Replied on: Aug 07 2011 05:45:54 AM
Message:

Zenit Labo: KMZ Logo Made in USSR on the sole

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/782011_Labo.jpg

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Aug 09 2011 03:45:08 AM
Message:

Labo is nice, I hope I will get it somewhere...

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Aug 09 2011 08:32:14 AM
Message:

Body from Russia, lens in Estonia. Both have serial 86...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/982011_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/982011_02.jpg

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Aug 25 2011 04:13:32 AM
Message:

Here is my liliput, now looking for maliutka


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2582011_lilput1.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2582011_liliput2.jpg

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Aug 27 2011 4:33:46 PM
Message:

Another KIEV II from 1949. It comes with a collapsible Zorki ZK. There are some interesting details, Focus wheel like a Contax (with groove), rewind knob with 4 instead of 3 milled rows, but no more flatened "3" on focus helix and film reminder wheel (see pictures).

The collapsible Zorki has no serial numer inside (as the Sonnars) but it has an hand engraved number inside, the number is 197. So maybe this was the time when they went from Sonnars to self made Zorki lenses?

Another interesting thing is that the shutter has a hand engraved number too inside. It looks similar to the hand engraved number on my very early Kiev II from 1950 and the serials are only 2400 numbers different.

Does anybody know if there was a time when the shutters were numbered by hand? My first thought when I saw this number on the 1950 Kiev was that it was later made. But now when I see a similar engraved number on the 1949 Kiev I think this could be factory made.











Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Aug 27 2011 4:35:03 PM
Message:

Alexander,

a great KIEV III! Specially the lens with it's serial number...

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Aug 28 2011 02:16:01 AM
Message:

Ulrich,

very interesting information. I have also a Kiev-II from 1949 with a collapsible Zorki ZK, BUT the lens has s/n 4900415 and DOES NOT have any hand engraved number inside.
The Soviets had to register all separate parts for the new Kiev-Contax cameras (and for another cameras as well ) and it could be possible, that since some time they started to register these lens-parts for some internal use too.

Regards, Alexander

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Aug 28 2011 03:46:39 AM
Message:

Very interesting, Ulrich!
Do you have a picture of the hand engraved number near the shutter?
It seems I have seen something similar on one of my 1950 Kiev II, but I don't remember exactly where it was...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Aug 28 2011 04:23:29 AM
Message:

Jacques,

I did not make a picture of the engraved serial number of the 1949 Kiev but one of the 1950 one. The 1949 serial engraving style looks similar.
To see that number you have to disassemble the camera partly (take off the top).



Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Aug 28 2011 3:44:44 PM
Message:

Thanks, Ulrich.
Soon I will check on one of my early Kievs.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Sep 01 2011 10:35:15 AM
Message:

Today I got home FED-C "Komandirskij FED", serial 138730 carera and 26504 lens making it approx 1940.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/192011_FedC.JPG



Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Sep 02 2011 11:04:40 AM
Message:

Fine, Juhani!
With a hole in the press film, I suppose?

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Sep 04 2011 06:15:56 AM
Message:

Yes!

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Sep 11 2011 2:53:39 PM
Message:

Here are the new in my collection "7-eyes" LOMO-twins: Sokol-automat and its export-"brother" Aurora-automat.




Regards, Alexander

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Sep 26 2011 06:40:20 AM
Message:

Not yet received, but bought some days ago: as it seems a Fed 1a reingraved Leica with a one turn lens (reingraved Elmar).
It can be an interesting camera or a pure fake!
I will tell you when received.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: AidasCams
Replied on: Sep 26 2011 09:47:17 AM
Message:

very nice Orchid-3 lens for Zorki RF.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2692011_orchid-3.jpg

Best regards,
Aidas

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Sep 26 2011 4:29:27 PM
Message:

Woderful, that is something!!!
This lens is something new for my eyes!

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Sep 26 2011 6:56:13 PM
Message:

Hi Aidas, congratulations! Very fine lens, I've never seen one before! Wow! 1.5/50mm!

Reply author: AidasCams
Replied on: Sep 27 2011 01:31:19 AM
Message:

Thanks. Please find attached comparison picture with ZK Zorki 1.5/50 (1949). Both beauties released by KMZ.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2792011_ZK_vs_Orchid_4.jpg

Best regards,
Aidas

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Sep 27 2011 06:41:20 AM
Message:

Magnifique!
The JLP says nothing about this lens, except that it was not really produced.
Do you have other details about it, Aidas?
Thanks for the pictures...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Sep 27 2011 10:47:40 AM
Message:

Bravo Aidas,
very nice find! I have seen this lens in some old articles about history of KMZ.
As far as I know it is prototype of Jupiter-3 (like Orchid-1 is prototype of Jupiter-8).
Congratulations!

Regards, Alexander

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Sep 30 2011 08:49:51 AM
Message:

Here are my latest cameras...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/3092011_cameras.jpg

Reply author: xalmaz
Replied on: Oct 02 2011 08:40:55 AM
Message:

quote:

---

Originally posted by AlexanderK

As far as I know it is prototype of Jupiter-3 (like Orchid-1 is prototype of Jupiter-8).

---

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Oct 02 2011 08:57:14 AM
Message:

xalmaz,

very interesting catalogue! Thank you very much.

Regards, Alexander

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Oct 07 2011 09:34:26 AM
Message:

Working Zenit-18 #8602323 with Zenitar-ME1 #861738 and almost like new Granit-11N #861095. Don't ask me how these fit together, even the seller had no idea!


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/7102011_Z18.jpg



Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Oct 07 2011 2:09:10 PM
Message:

My Zenitar-ME1 serial is 861766, very close.

And here is my black jupiter-9 for kiev RF.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/7102011_kievRF1.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/7102011_kievRF2.jpg

Best, Martti

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Oct 08 2011 06:55:59 AM
Message:

Received today my 46th Fed 1. All are different!
An interesting one, even if not beautiful. It's an 1b with
- a number of 1a,
- brown patterned vulcanite,
- large engraved lettering.

All that makes me think that the (real) serial number could be around 26000.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/8102011_Fed 1b 4580 001.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/8102011_Fed 1b 4580 002.JPG

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Oct 09 2011 4:08:37 PM
Message:

Jacques,

my first thought was "46 FED 1, what a crazy guy", then I counted my FED 1. I counted 20 and I was sure that there were not more than 10 :-)

Congratulations to the FED 1 with the strange serial number. I own one with serial 2850 which looks exactly like yours, the only different is the normal vulcanite instead of the brown one.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Oct 09 2011 4:10:23 PM
Message:

Martti,

nice, seems that you are building a "Jupiter 9 farm" to grow them up and have children ;-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Oct 10 2011 07:18:08 AM
Message:

Not bad, Ulrich, not bad. Still an effort to be as mad as me...

Amitiés.

Reply author: urban-wombat
Replied on: Oct 13 2011 01:19:51 AM
Message:

Fotokor .


Testing .. paper negative f18 2 mins + yellow filter

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Oct 13 2011 03:10:11 AM
Message:

Ulrich,

yes, my farm have already aftergrowth, one little girl jupiter-12 and boy jupiter-3. Now I hope, that they will grow and be jupiter-6!!!

Best, Martti

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Oct 19 2011 11:44:05 AM
Message:

My latest finds...

VESNA

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/19102011_vesna.jpg

and FKD 13x18 (new)

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/19102011_01.jpg

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Nov 17 2011 07:54:01 AM
Message:

Hello,

One of my friends, a French collector, received lately some interesting items. He sent them to me. Here are three of them:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/17112011_Photos PYC 0 001.jpg

For the Industar 24M, I am a bit surprised. The diaphragm ring seems turning just the reverse than it should. At f22: it's all open. And it is closed at f 3,5...

Probably I don't understand something!

About the two Feds, I will open separate threads.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Nov 26 2011 3:44:58 PM
Message:

Here is KIF, underwater box for start!
I like KRAB more!!!


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/26112011_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/26112011_02.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/26112011_03.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/26112011_04.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/26112011_05.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/26112011_06.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/26112011_07.jpg

Reply author: okynek
Replied on: Nov 28 2011 10:30:54 AM
Message:

Very nice! I never had underwater case for Start camera in my hands.
How did you find one !
Would you be able to add your pictures to Wiki?

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Nov 29 2011 02:12:14 AM
Message:

My wife friends friend have get it in observatory and was thinking to use it. But then he decide to sell it. He have asked me, do I wat it. I have asked pictures. But he but it in auction. So I called him and make offer and get it without auction.
It is bought in 67 year and is never used.

Wiki in something new for me, if I can, I will add the pictures.

Here is picture of my KRAB...
sadly without gear and stuff


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/29112011_02.jpg

Reply author: Membedeep
Replied on: Dec 05 2011 02:58:46 AM
Message:

TOCHKA-58M / S-252 type b used by the Romanian secret service, like new. I paid for it around $10, but I'm sure it is worth much more. How much do you think? There are only few informations on the internet. It works fine and I also have 9 other lenses, like the one mounted on it. Sorry for the crappy pictures...

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Dec 05 2011 10:29:35 PM
Message:

Wow!! $10 I've seen these sold for around at least $500.. great buy, congratulations!

Reply author: Membedeep
Replied on: Dec 07 2011 07:45:00 AM
Message:

My last russian camera, along with a classic Sputnik, is a Fed S with the 2/50 lens. The camera has serial number 56054 and the lens has the serial number 21334. Are there several types of Fed S? Thank you!

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Dec 07 2011 07:59:07 AM
Message:

Hello,
There are as many Fed S as 1c, d and e types...
So, including the sub series:
- 5 1c type,
- 3 1d type,
- 1 1e type,
If we count some "original" Fed S engraved Leica, you can find at least 10 different Fed S. And special ones were made with leatherette and ears for straps.

Yours must be (by the serial number)the first 1c type, with a grey/green vulcanite coming from late 1b.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Dec 09 2011 12:47:03 PM
Message:

Hi all....

I think this outfit is no very rare, but I found it as you see in pictures. Complete with shades for camera, strap, battery!
In very good shape, as you can see...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/9122011_Fed Stereo_1.JPG




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/9122011_Fed Stereo_2.JPG

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Dec 10 2011 11:43:08 AM
Message:

Hello Frédéric!

A very nice outfit. It seems abolutely complete, even with the spectacles!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Dec 10 2011 12:30:05 PM
Message:

Thank you Jacques

I bought it in an auction in Sens last week. 300 euros + taxes. it is quite expensive but so hard to find such complete outfit.....
I bought also a FT2 and a Voskhod (with active lightmeter...incredible...!!).
I miss a F21.... too expensive...

There is another auction in Limoges next friday...With a few Russian cameras too...I think I will be there as I am in Toulouse all week...Not so far..

All the best

Fred

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Dec 11 2011 2:18:40 PM
Message:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/11122011_FotoExponometer2.JPG

From a local flea market for the huge price of 2 euros :)

http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=42&ParentID=3&ContentID=1474&Item=Lenobltorg+Exposure+Calculator%2E



Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: womble
Replied on: Dec 12 2011 12:59:08 PM
Message:

Romanian spy cameras (with 9 lenses?!) and stereo FEDs... there is some amazing stuff about.

Thanks for sharing it with us.

K.

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Dec 14 2011 01:00:55 AM
Message:

ELIKON-2 serial 9601014
now looking for ELIKON-3, if anybody have to offer, let me know!


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/14122011_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/14122011_02.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/14122011_03.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/14122011_06.jpg

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Dec 14 2011 04:15:24 AM
Message:

Hi Martti,
here it is: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ELIKON-3-Soviet-35mm-Camera-VERY-RARE-/350487610862?pt=Film_Cameras&hash=item519ab085ee ,
but I am not sure, that the price is OK.


Regards, Alexander

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Dec 14 2011 11:03:35 AM
Message:

Hello!
Camera condition is to bad fot the price!
Wonderig, what hole is that...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/14122011_elikon.jpg

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Dec 14 2011 12:22:29 PM
Message:

There should be a plastic "lens" that covers the "flash ready" lamp now well visible.

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Dec 17 2011 09:00:32 AM
Message:

A classic Kiev 1948, mainly with Jena parts. Not really different from my Kiev 1949. 1948 Kievs seem very variable from the Dresden side to the Jena one...
The lens is interesting. It's a late rigid 1948 ZK one which looks regular.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/17122011_Kiev 1948 002.jpg

In the back, one of my two cats. And between the two, a prewar Kine Exakta: massive and impressive. Much more sophisticated than the contemporaneous Leicas or Feds! It's not the first TLR: it has the rectangular magnifier, not the round one.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Dec 17 2011 11:04:09 AM
Message:

This time is outfit time for me...
Not really expensive outfits, but uite complete with papers...

This one is in a wonderful plastic case...Typical of seventies... I think I will try to go working with it one day...

All the best...

Fred




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/17122011_Etude_1.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/17122011_Etude_3.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/17122011_Etude_5.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/17122011_Etude_6.JPG

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Dec 18 2011 09:17:43 AM
Message:

Hi Fred,
Beautiful! And complete, with all the papers...
It seems you had it in France, perhaps Limoges?

I gave up trying to collect such outfits: not enough room...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Dec 18 2011 1:08:23 PM
Message:

Hi Jacques!!

I bought it on ebay to a guy who is also a professional seller and who lives in Normandie..
I went to Limoges last friday
Very interesting sale... Only a few people in the room.. So most of item have been sold a starting price, except 2 or 3 very special items.
Not a lot of Russian cameras..
I got a Kiev IIIa and Jupiter 8 in good shape (light meter ok) for 36 euros and a very nice Salyut S with Vega and back for 60 euros. Only problem for this one, is that I see only one curtain on shutter...Not easy to fix..
As prices were very low, I came back with 2 full cases of different cameras.. I need to sell them now and buy new Russian cameras...
The best was a Nikkor QD-C 5.6/15mm AI like new...Not really Russian lens....

All the best

Fred

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Jan 12 2012 2:32:23 PM
Message:

Jacques,

congrats to the 1948 KIEV.

Here are my 2 newest finds.

First a Zorki 3 with early serial number and screw in the middle under the rangefinder window:









I have installed new shutter curtains and now it works fine.

The second is a rarity I think. It's a Horizont Revue with matching box, the two filters, the hand grip, german papers and german instruction booklet! I have never seen a complete set before. Only the leather bag is missing.

An interesting thing: The name Horizont is written with a "Z" on the booklet and the camera itself, but on the box there is written in big letters "HORISONT-REVUE" with an "S" :-)





Unfortunately someone has removed all body screws (I think, I have replacements) and the release button has fallen out (but it was in the packet).


Edit: As I see on Aidas' site it is this one:

http://sovietcams.com/index.php?-2017518783
"6. Very uncommon version, under name "Horizont Revue" in Roman characters. Were released for W.Germany market. Very few early cameras have 1/250s markings on the top plate."

It has the 1/250s marking. So it seems to be a nice find :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jan 15 2012 11:47:34 AM
Message:

Hi Ulrich!
I did not know there are "Horizont Revue"...
Your early Zorki 3 is fine: they are becoming rare now. And your lens is probably the good one by the datas. I bought my # 00707 without lens, and I have put on it a '52 one.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Jan 16 2012 3:05:07 PM
Message:

Jacques,

I knew about the Horizont Revue (I have seen one or two on ebay the last years), but I have never seen one (or a normal Horizont) with box and papers.

Yes, I think it's the original lens on the Zorki 3. 707 is a nice serial number, are you now looking for number 747? :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Jan 17 2012 3:50:36 PM
Message:

KRAB for LC-A, without the viewfinder. Serial 880003


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1712012_01.jpg

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Jan 25 2012 4:25:03 PM
Message:

"FED-35" 28mm f4.5
This is something, that I did not hope to get. But here it is.
Still missing RUSSAR and FED 50mm f2 lens.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2512012_02.jpg

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Jan 25 2012 4:34:47 PM
Message:

Martti,

great finds, specially the FED lens. I am looking for one of it too, but they are really rare to find.

By the way, most of the missing screws of the Horizont-Revue I could find in the packet, and for the other ones I have had replacements. Now it works and looks as new.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jan 25 2012 5:10:48 PM
Message:

Bravo for the 4,5/28mm Fed lens.
Serial number between 40xxx and 46xxx, I suppose?
I have one, never tried...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Jan 25 2012 5:51:16 PM
Message:

Number is 46370 and there is extra number 34 opposide side of serial.
I am thinking to try it, someday.

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Jan 26 2012 12:39:25 PM
Message:

Great find, Martti.
I have sold one some time ago here on USSRPhoto .
I have FED 50mm f2 for sell as well, you can find it here: http://www.ussrphoto.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1805


Regards, Alexander

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Jan 26 2012 4:11:57 PM
Message:

Alexander, is it possible to get some detail pictures of the lens?
Thank you!

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Feb 07 2012 11:37:25 AM
Message:

I got it today...
My first Russar with 2 original caps and finder....

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/722012_Russar_005.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/722012_Russar_006.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/722012_Russar_007.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/722012_Russar_010.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/722012_Russar_011.JPG

Fred

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Feb 13 2012 3:55:14 PM
Message:

Russar is cool!

Here is my latest find...
Serial 9982


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1322012_fed1.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1322012_fed2.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1322012_fed3.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1322012_fed4.jpg

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Feb 13 2012 4:17:15 PM
Message:

One of the rarest Fed accessories.
I suppose it doesn't work? Or I will have it mine repaired...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Feb 14 2012 03:34:15 AM
Message:

I can see a little respont to light, but yes, it is not working!

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Feb 14 2012 1:22:10 PM
Message:

A very nice No Name Kiev arrived here today. It looks like new, even the matching leather case without name is like new. And it works very smooth.

It is from 1963, comes with a 1,5/50 Sonnar lens and has not the OCCUPIED engraving on the back! So which version is it? As I know the first series has the additional engraving, is from 1963 and has Sonnar lens, and the second series is from 1964 without the engraving on the back and without Sonnar lens or with Jupiter lens. And as I can see nobody has opened it before, so no mix of parts.

What's that? While inspecting the leather bag I found "USSR OCCUPIED GERMANY" printed inside on the leather strap of the bag. Has anyone seen this before?








Edit: Here's a picture of the leather strap:



Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Feb 14 2012 3:13:19 PM
Message:

Bravo, Ulrich!
I don't have such a "no name"...
BTW, what is the serial number of the Sonnar? It seems that some sellers put any Zeiss lens on this camera...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Feb 14 2012 3:33:32 PM
Message:

Jacques,

thanks. It's a post war Sonnar from Zeiss Ikon Stuttgart, a late one without the red coating marking. So it seems to be the original one. The serial number is 1170766. I have had two or three of them, their serial numbers are very different, some have only 5 digits, some have seven digits and the numbers spread wide. I don't know how Zeiss Ikon has numbered the Sonnars in post war times.
By the way, I haven't cleaned the camera until now, it comes out of the sellers packet in this state :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Feb 14 2012 4:10:37 PM
Message:

Hi Ulrich,

About postwar numbers, for CZ Oberkochen (Stuttgart):
- # 10000 to 500000:years 1946-50 (Opton)
- # 500000 to 1,1 Mn: years 51-53 (Opton)
- # 1,1Mn to 2,6 Mn: years 53-59 (CZ, except for Comecon sales)

For CZ Jena (East Germany), the numbers follow prewar ones:
- # 3 Mn to 3,2 Mn: 1945-49,
- # 3,2 Mn to 3,47 Mn: 49-52,
- # 3,47 Mn to 4 Mn: 52-55,
- # 4 Mn to 5 Mn: 55-58.

Here are the official numbers, not very precise, I confess. If it can help...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Feb 14 2012 4:19:46 PM
Message:

Jacques,

thanks. So it's one of the first ones that are labeled with "Carl Zeiss" only. That's nice :-)

It would be interesting to know which 1,5 Sonnars were put on the No Name Kievs, but I think we don't have enough samples for it...

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Feb 15 2012 4:32:12 PM
Message:

Jacques,

I have cleaned it now (even if there was only a bit dirt on it) and now it looks really as "out of the factory". I've never had such a shiny Kiev before! Seems that the NoName Kievs have better chrome finish.

Edit: Here's a picture after cleaning it.



Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Feb 15 2012 5:40:10 PM
Message:

Hi Ulrich

I have one too!!
Tha same as you got
No Name as new with serial n° 6307326....
And Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar T 2/5cm n°3059424

As yours, no engraving from UUSR occupied Germany... Nothing

I will make pics this week end and post them....

Fred

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Feb 16 2012 1:40:57 PM
Message:

As I promissed yesterday, here are some pics of my No Name Kiev
I bought it a few years ago in Drouot in Paris, in an auction sale.
I remember the price was higher than a Contax II (But the Contax were very cheap in this sale)


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev No_Name_03.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev No_Name_04.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev No_Name_06.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev No_Name_07.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev No_Name_11.jpg

Fred

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Feb 16 2012 1:49:15 PM
Message:

This one is arrived a few weeks ago

I am not sure the lens is the original one but specilalists here will probably tell me more about this combination lens and body?

Thank's a lot!

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev II_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev II_02.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev II_03.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev II_05.jpg

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Feb 16 2012 2:00:49 PM
Message:

Fred,

both cameras are really nice. I think the lens of the 1950 Kiev is the right one, but on the No Name Kiev is a lens of the late 40ies made by Carl Zeiss in Jena. As I know they were delivered with Zeiss Sonnars from Stuttgart/Oberkochen. But it's a nice lens it's one of the sort that was delivered with the Jena Contax or the TSVVS (regarding to the number).

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Feb 16 2012 2:34:23 PM
Message:

Hello Fred (and Ulrich!),

A vey fine 1950 Kiev II, with a matching ZK lens, as it seems.
It's difficult to say if it is the right good one: my datas (thanks for them!) show that we can have very close bodies with lenses the numbers of which are (a bit) more large.

As far as I know, it's not exactly the same for the "no names". It seems that the 1963 bodies were assembled with different lenses: prewar CZJ which were always in stock, early postwar CZJ or even Opton which had not been used. Difficult to say more, as there are not many cameras of which we can discuss. The 1964 are easier: all seem to have the 1964 Jupiter...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Feb 25 2012 4:07:41 PM
Message:

Another nice find, a preseries FED 2a with low serial number (001231) in very nice looking condition.





Unfortunately the shutter was broken and so I disassembled it to repair it. It's really interesting these early preseries FED 2a are different inside. So there is a light baffle inside that hides the shutter drums and the two curtain rollers are hold by a plate on top which makes it easy to install the shutter. Very nice made.

And I have found out why it looks so new... It seems that it gets broken very early and unfortunately one small piece is broken that could not be repaired (only if you have another camera with such a low serial I think): The stop pin in the shutter under the big gear on the bottom was broken. You need a lot of force to break it, so I think that it was broken installed by factory and breaks short after using the camera. So it's a nice item for the shelf only.

Here are pictures of the light baffle inside the body and the plate on top of the shutter housing that holds the two rollers.






I forgot... Interesting is a comparison of the viewfinder window. The size of the early one is a bit bigger than on later ones. Here compared to a normal FED 2a. On top the 001231, on bottom one with serial 23xxx:




Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Feb 26 2012 06:50:16 AM
Message:

Hi Ulrich!

Thanks for the photos!
What you say about the size of the viewfinder window is interesting. Is the # 23xxx a preseries too, or a crossover model with preseries release button and round window?
All that would deserve a special study...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Feb 26 2012 07:19:53 AM
Message:

Jacques,

yes, I also wondered about the size of the viewfinder window. The one I got from you (003729) has the normal sized window.

The 023015 is a normal FED 2a with the round range finder window and the round collar around the release button. I think it could be one of the first ones, I also own a preseries crossover model with round range finder window and preseries release button that has number 022304.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Feb 26 2012 09:09:26 AM
Message:

Thanks for these precisions, Ulrich.
Perhaps there are other interesting parameters to examine closely on early Fed 2.
I remember for example having weighed the very early Alain's Fed 2 (number 000007, but I am not sure about the number of 0 !). And it was heavier than the "regular" preseries, much than expected, anyway (# c.10% if I remember).

Jacques.

Reply author: Messsucher
Replied on: Feb 26 2012 3:14:32 PM
Message:

Nice find Ulrich!

Mine came two weeks ago. N-011833 :)

Btw. frame around viewfinder window: my Fed-2a (N-012923) has thin frame.

SzS.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Mar 02 2012 4:46:09 PM
Message:

Jacques,

more to the FED 2a 23015: It lies here since 2 or 3 years with a broken shutter in a box and I just took it out to see if I can repair the broken shutter of the 001231 with some parts of it. But they differed too much.

Now after looking on Aidas site I've seen that this 23015 seems to be an early "Type A2". As he knows they start at 27.000 so mine seems to be a nice find out off a box with broken cameras :-)

Now I have installed new shutter curtains on it and it works quite as a Leica.






Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 06 2012 04:52:27 AM
Message:

Fine, Ulrich!
And what about the weights of the different elements of each camera?
Are there differences? It would be possible on prototype/preseries cameras...

Amitiés.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Mar 11 2012 10:06:03 AM
Message:

Jacques,

I don't have such a fine scale to weight the parts, sorry.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Mar 11 2012 1:27:02 PM
Message:

Hello All!!!!

This Narciss in in working order...
It has some spots on the cream color....


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Narciss_04.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Narciss_05.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Narciss_06.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Narciss_07.JPG

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Mar 11 2012 1:43:54 PM
Message:

My first one

I bought it yesterday in an auction
There were a lot of cameras and a full light meter collection to sell... About 450 light meters!!!
I had to bid on a box with a lot of 12 light meters to get this one.

Good surprise, it is in working order and seems to be accurate....

I have one question: The front with the selenium element is not as I have seen before.... Is it normal? Or may be a part is missing, but it seems not.....Help!!!

Thank you very much



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_01.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_02.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_03.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_04.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_05.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_06.JPG

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Mar 11 2012 2:00:08 PM
Message:

Fred,

great finds! Specially the light meter in working condition. I can not say anything to the selenium cell because I have never had such a light meter. Maybe it was repaired sometimes ago?

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 11 2012 4:41:10 PM
Message:

Congratulations for this lightmeter in working condition, Fred!
Perhaps, it's not in original condition. It's the first time I see a Fed lightmeter with this parallelepipedic inclusion: maybe for repair?

Mine is like Bill's one in the wiki:
http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=42&ParentID=3&ContentID=93&Item=FED+Exposure+Meter

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Mar 11 2012 5:21:14 PM
Message:

Great find, Fred.
I have two of them: 61xx and 3-6xx, the both are without any inclusions.
I agree with Jacques, it seems to be not in original conditions, but it is anyway a very rare lightmeter. Congratulation!

Regards, Alexander

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Mar 11 2012 7:03:38 PM
Message:

Thank you all

I am a little bit disapointed because it seems to be really part of the meter...Not added part....

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Apr 03 2012 10:18:41 AM
Message:

A Fed S d type more with a wartime Sonnar lens (not original).


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/342012_Fed S 164433 001.jpg

Amitiés. Jacques.

PS:no way to know more about that strange thing in your Fed meter, Fred?

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Apr 03 2012 12:34:18 PM
Message:

Hi Jacques

No , No nexs about my meter
It seems to be original, but so strange....

All the best

Fred

Reply author: Brian
Replied on: Apr 07 2012 7:19:47 PM
Message:

A 1952 KMZ Jupiter-12, with Zeiss Serial Number on the rear module.



The focus was way-off, off 2m for a 5m test. Added a 0.2mm shim, luckily the J-8 and J-12 take the same shims.



And verified: the early J-12 in LTM fits on the M8.



No coding, and I do not see any vignetting.

Reply author: Brian
Replied on: Apr 07 2012 7:30:42 PM
Message:

and- a 1950 KMZ Jupiter-3, originally held into it's Contax/Kiev Mount using sewing thread.



The focus was way-off, front-focus problem. No shims to remove. The machining on the mount was off, and the optics wobbled around in it.

The focal length was too short, even for use on a Leica. I moved the rear optics out ~0.2mm and then set the main shim. Took several attempts, but the focus is good across the full range now on the Leica, moved the optics module into a 1956 KMZ LTM mount. Without moving the rear module, the lens could be used from close-up to about 3m.



Close-up at F1.5





This lens looks like it had never been used- I'm thinking it just never worked right.

Reply author: Brian
Replied on: Apr 08 2012 7:11:47 PM
Message:

The J-12 on The Leica M9, 100% crop:



Full image, wide-open at F2.8

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Apr 15 2012 03:43:39 AM
Message:

Just arrived...

a complete 1956 Zorki 4 set, including box, bag, instruction booklet and matching papers. And it looks and works like new, I just had to change the selftimer that was broken. Winding knob, collar around release button and rewind knob are in Zorki 3C style.





Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Apr 15 2012 03:45:21 AM
Message:

Brian,

great finds and really amazing pics.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Apr 15 2012 10:44:51 AM
Message:

Wonderful pictures, Brian!
I find once more the "bokeh" of my wartime 1,5/5cm Sonnar.

But my special congrats for all the work...

Jacques.

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Apr 15 2012 11:05:55 AM
Message:

A Fed Red Flag, here.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1542012_Red Flag 002.jpg

Something really surprising: the rangefinder has a yellow/orange colour.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Apr 15 2012 11:13:34 AM
Message:

Congratulation, Jacques!
Your number is less, than mine (200600)

Regards, Alexander

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Apr 16 2012 3:35:25 PM
Message:

Jacques and Alexander,

you both are lucky guys. I am looking for a Red Flag for years but there is none around...

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Apr 16 2012 4:04:55 PM
Message:

Ulrich, don't worry!
I let you know, if I see one more

Regards, Alexander

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Apr 16 2012 4:36:13 PM
Message:

Congrats Jacques, I'm just curious, what do Red Flags sell for nowadays? I am also on the lookout for one..

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Apr 17 2012 07:14:20 AM
Message:

I would say between 400 and 1000 euros, very roughly...
But the most difficult is to find one. And to be sure it is genuine, which is very difficult as there are not many samples known...

Probably I will open a link about that. I am very curious for example about the yellow colour in the rangefinder...

Of course, I am happy to have mine. I had been looking for for years...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Apr 18 2012 7:11:24 PM
Message:

Many thanks for information, Jacques!

Best regards,
Vlad

Reply author: Robotnik
Replied on: May 07 2012 4:58:15 PM
Message:

I got a rather normal Kiev 19 in the mail today. Only cost me 19 bucks + shipping.




As you can see this one was made in 1989, and it has the Quality Seal. (I did not see any others on eBay with the Quality seal.)

The lens has some metalic dust in it, but other than that its nice. Camera works fine.

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: May 07 2012 5:43:04 PM
Message:

Zenit-7 preseries (first version) arrived here (s/n 6800165, lens s/n 000067). It does not work, but looks damn good !




Regards, Alexander

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: May 15 2012 12:20:52 PM
Message:

Hello all!!

Just received from an auction in Sweden...
The camera is exactly as I received it.

It needs some cleaning, because some dust inside, but mechanics are ok.
Shutter working at all speeds.

Not sure the back is really the original one of the camera, because adjustments on each side are approximative...

Lens is complete and in good shape...

Gomz Logo is orange.

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Sport_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Sport_02.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Sport_04.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Sport_05.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Sport_08.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Sport_10.jpg

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: May 15 2012 12:34:12 PM
Message:

Second camera coming from this auction (Sweden).

This F-21 is as new but has a lot of dust...So it needs to be carefully cleaned.
Shutter is working

Fred

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_F-21_02.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_F-21_04.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_F-21_01.jpg

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: May 15 2012 1:01:14 PM
Message:

This one is not coming from Sweden

I bought it last Sunday in Versailles in what we call "brocante"

I cleaned a little bit the box... It was impossible to see the color....
Camera was not in box, it is one I had alone before.
But camera is not export one as the lens is for export I guess.
I have also one Zenit ES for export in latin characters... I will change it when I find where it is in my home...

The lens need to be cleaned, but glasses are perfect. I am not sure it has been used....Serial number 3300
Box came with 5 filters too, and with original cap and shade.

Price: 40 euros and no shipping cost: I am living close to Versailles

Fred





http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Foto-Sniper_02.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Foto-Sniper_05.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Foto-Sniper_06.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Foto-Sniper_08.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Foto-Sniper_09.jpg

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jun 07 2012 04:49:41 AM
Message:

A Fed more arrived yesterday here.
Not so common: it's an early one without accessory shoe.
This one (# 7373) has an ordinary half turn Fed lens, contrarily to my # 7122 which has a one turn one.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/762012_1b 001.jpg

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jun 07 2012 04:54:55 AM
Message:

Special congratulations for your Sport, Fred! And once more time for your recent TSVVS!
I will have too to try and buy cameras at auctions...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Jun 07 2012 07:48:04 AM
Message:

HI Jacques

Your FED is so nice too....
May be I will have surprises on next weeks..

An Revue Horizont (I got it but as i am out for ten days, I will make pics later....
One more TSVVS...... I am negociating it , and it is nice with all matching numbers...

So we have to wait about 15 days!!!!

Congratulations for your FED!!!

FRED

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jun 08 2012 4:01:59 PM
Message:

Another TSVVS... wow!
Always a 1950 one? Or a 1949?
Eager to see that!

And congratulations!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Jun 08 2012 4:31:47 PM
Message:

It is a 1950
Body and Base plate are matching, I am sure

I have to wait about one week...to be sure

Fore sure I will give you some news...

Fred

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Jun 17 2012 4:56:15 PM
Message:

Nice new cameras arrived in this thread :-)

My newest is a like new Leningrad from 1963. It came here with a blocked release button. This must happened very early because it looks as it was never used.

So I disassembled it and found the bug. A lever was gone out of it's position and blocked releasing the shutter.

It has an interesting engraving around the big wind knob which I have never seen before. I think collecting Leningrads could be interesting ...

After cleaning and reassembling it:



The engraving around the winding knob:




I have documented the reassembly, maybe it's interesting for you even it is only in german:

http://fotos.cconin.de/kameras/leningradrepair/index.htm

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jun 18 2012 04:56:04 AM
Message:

Happy to see you again, Ulrich, and bravo for this immaculate Leningrad!
The inscription reads "made in USSR", I think?

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Jun 18 2012 06:39:21 AM
Message:

Jacques,

I meant I have never seen this engraving on a Leningrad before :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Jun 18 2012 11:35:49 AM
Message:

Arrived today, complete with original cap and original case too....
Numbers inside camera and base plate are matching.(both n°90) as my other TSVVS (729) has two different numbers (15 in camera and 91 on base plate)
It works well at all speeds and rangefinder is OK. I just need to clean a little bit!

Fred



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_TSVVS_804_BD_01.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_TSVVS_804_BD_03.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_TSVVS_804_BD_04.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_TSVVS_804_BD_05.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_TSVVS_804_BD_06.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_TSVVS_804_BD_07.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_TSVVS_804_BD_02.jpg

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Jun 18 2012 11:37:36 AM
Message:

Not another TSVVS but quite interesting too....

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_Horizont_Revue_BD_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_Horizont_Revue_BD_02.jpg

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jun 18 2012 2:58:53 PM
Message:

Reply author: CrazyCatman
Replied on: Jun 20 2012 06:08:55 AM
Message:

Yesterday I got two things for my collection - both rather ordinary:

Fed 2 type C, from 1956 (11188):


And a 1993 Zenit 12XPS Fotosniper (a bit too young for this site as it's "Made in Russia") - unfortuantly without the box as my ES/FS3 has:


---
You can call me "Yuri"...

SSSR collections so far:
1956 FED 2 C
1978 Zenit E
1979 Zenit FS-3 Photosniper (ES)
1980 Zenit EM Olympic
1980 Zenit E Olympic
1993 Zenit FS-12-3 Fotosaiper (12XPS)
a Zenit UPA 5M enlarger
... plus some "foregien" stuff.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Jun 20 2012 4:49:51 PM
Message:

Fred,

great, 2 TSVVS's :-) I wonder if we are the only guys who collect them :-D

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Jun 20 2012 4:56:20 PM
Message:

Arrived 2 days ago... A like new KIEV III from 1953 with DIN engraving and Zorki ZK lens from 1950. It seems to be a real combination of camera and lens (why should someone change the lens to a ZK-lens?). But there are 3 years difference between camera and lens date. Could it be that the soviets put the old lenses on the first with old Contax parts made KIEV III? I have not seen this combination before.

Here are some pics, it looks stunning in my eyes:







Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Jun 20 2012 5:00:06 PM
Message:

Fred, the Horizont Revue is interesting. Mine has number 6903353 so only 600 numbers away from yours.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Jun 20 2012 5:04:41 PM
Message:

Jørgen,

nice camera finds. I hope that you have enough room in your closet for the next at least 50 soviet cameras you WILL buy

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: CrazyCatman
Replied on: Jun 20 2012 5:25:28 PM
Message:

b

quote:

---

Originally posted by uwittehh

Jørgen,

nice camera finds. I hope that you have enough room in your closet for the next at least 50 soviet cameras you WILL buy

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

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Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Jun 20 2012 11:12:07 PM
Message:

quote:

---

Originally posted by uwittehh

Fred,

great, 2 TSVVS's :-) I wonder if we are the only guys who collect them :-D

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

---

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Jun 21 2012 04:03:20 AM
Message:

Hi All

I agree with Juhani....We all know here what is a TSVVS...

But, what is sure, is that people who have sold me the cameras knew very well the value and the rarity..... So we are not alone...

The most surprising this year in Bievres was these 2 cameras to sell. It was first year I see TSVVS in Bièvres!
Sellers were both Italian.
One is a collector and has made an article in Leica magazine in 1997 about camera I bought him. I have to copy this article and to put it in the wiki.
Second is also an Italian guy , and I think Aidas knows him well as he has bought him some rare cameras in the past.
I bought this second camera after Bievres.

I think and hope these 2 cameras are not fakes...Princelle told me they are genuine.... But who could be sure???????

Fred

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Jun 21 2012 3:21:19 PM
Message:

Hi all

I put an article on Wiki about TSVVS n°729
http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=39&ParentID=4&ContentID=1560&Item=TSVVS+Article++Leica+Magazine+

Enjoy!!

Fred

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Jun 21 2012 4:15:06 PM
Message:

Juhani,

yes it's an extreme camera that nobody really knows about. I was a bit surprised how many people here have on (or more...). But thinking about it we are only a handfull of guys here who collect them and so we have seen only about 2 or 3 percent of them at all. As we know about 1000 were made and I think that a lot (most of them) are existing until today (because it's a camera made for special purposes).

Btw. I have never heard of a fake of it or seen one (neither in real nor in pictures). I have only read that they may exist :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jun 22 2012 10:24:24 AM
Message:

Thanks, Fred, for the article.
About fakes, I saw one some years ago at Bièvres. Easy to recognize because of the window of the viewfinder. Too, it was much lighter than a real TSVVS: the shell was made of aluminium and not brass. Probably a Fed...
The TSVVS really is a difficult camera to fake...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jul 05 2012 10:52:09 AM
Message:

Always about TSVVS fakes, there is one in the JLP, 2nd edition, p. 100. On the picture, it has a Fed viewfinder window. The other one on the same picture seems genuine.

Now, my 1950 TSVVS, just arrived. I already had the 1949 one (background).


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/572012_TSVVS 003.jpg

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Jul 05 2012 4:01:40 PM
Message:

Congratulation, Jacques!
Very nice cameras. They seem not being in use, just from the photo-shop shelf .
Which serial number do they have? My cameras are 292 (1949) und 714 (1950)

Regards, Alexander

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Jul 05 2012 4:50:29 PM
Message:

Jacques, congratulation from me too!

Interesting that both of your TSVVS have the "Carl Zeiss Jena" lens cap. Mine has it too.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jul 06 2012 03:55:31 AM
Message:

Thanks, Ulrich and Alexander.
Serial numbers: 264 (1949) and 503 (1950). Both are in very good condition. But all the TSVVS I know are in the same excellent condition: hardly used.
I am going to open a special thread about these cameras: some details like the lens caps are interesting.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Jul 11 2012 04:23:24 AM
Message:

Some new cameras arrived last week

Sport has very low serial number
Leningrad is a 2 screw model on front panel

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Leningrad_LD_06.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Leningrad_LD_05.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Leningrad_LD_04.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Sport_LD_05.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Sport_LD_06.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Sport_LD_08.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_F21_LD_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_F21_LD_02.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_F21_LD_03.jpg

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Jul 11 2012 5:47:29 PM
Message:

Hello Fred,
very nice cameras, but I think, that the number on the lens of your Sport camera does not match with the camera.
Cameras with such low number have usually three screws, and your camera has only one. Very strange...

Regards, Alexander

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Jul 12 2012 02:37:20 AM
Message:

Hello Alexander

Yes I agree, it is strange..
Same for the front panel..seems to be a later one...
Maybe it is a camera that has been rebuilt from parts?
Lens itself seems to be original (not fake)..

Fred

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jul 12 2012 06:27:41 AM
Message:

A Sport is always a desirable camera for a collector, even if it was partially rebuilt.
And really, I think a Sport is impossible to fake.
So, congratulations, Fred!

I think I will have mine too. A day... when I will be tired of extra-USSR cameras!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Aug 05 2012 04:54:03 AM
Message:

My only find in some weeks...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/582012_malutka.jpg

Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: Sep 04 2012 11:37:14 AM
Message:

Hello all!!!

Just arrived today, in good shape and all functions ok.

It is the first time I see an export version.

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/492012_Narciss_03.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/492012_Narciss_04.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/492012_Narciss_05.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/492012_Narciss_07.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/492012_Narciss_08.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/492012_Narciss_10.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/492012_Narciss_12.jpg

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Sep 04 2012 7:37:01 PM
Message:

Very nice buy Fred, these are pretty uncommon, especially with original box!

By the way I love opening this thread every time because the very first post if made by Alain Berry, it's just a great feeling seeing his name every time.. I really miss his posts on this forum and this seems like it's keeping his legacy alive. Sorry for sentimental off-topic..

Vlad

Reply author: Michel
Replied on: Sep 05 2012 03:45:29 AM
Message:

Hi Vlad,
Thanks for quoting Alain's legacy.
Here, in France, some USSR camera collectors have the same feeling as yours…
And, no, it's not "off topic".
Many thanks again.
Michel.

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Sep 05 2012 05:13:57 AM
Message:

Alain's memory is one of the reasons why I often post in this topic. Three years ago, now...

Edit: two years. Sorry.

Jacques.

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Sep 17 2012 09:45:21 AM
Message:

A new and curious lens here.
In fact, a screw mount Jupiter 3 for the outside, and a the barrel of a Sonnar inside, each with its serial number: 741087 for KMZ and (2)860843 (so probably made in 1946) for Zeiss.
I have found it on eBay, you probably had seen it. I could not resist...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1792012_jup-sonnar 001.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1792012_jup-sonnar 003.jpg

The plausible explanation: the barrel and its lenses had been sent to Kiev as war spoil. For some reason, it was only re-discovered some years after and dressed with KMZ clothes.
Unless you have other ideas?

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Kievuser
Replied on: Sep 28 2012 08:39:23 AM
Message:

My recent catch, a Fed Berdsk. A question: do you always see a hole for slow speed mechanism on the top plate of a Berdsk? Are those Berdsk unfinished Fed-Bs? I have two Berdsks and a Fed-C that all have this punched hole on the top plate.

Cheers,

Zhang


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2892012_P9181029.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2892012_P9100989.JPG

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Sep 28 2012 11:49:34 AM
Message:

Hi Zhang!

I dismounted some of my S-s and one 1e.
They all had that hole.
I am going to look at an early 1c to be sure.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Brian
Replied on: Sep 28 2012 6:51:03 PM
Message:

On the curious KMZ/Zeiss J-3, looks a lot like mine.

[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/8030915792/][/url]
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/8030915792/]J-3, Zeiss SN[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/73370230@N08/]anachronist1[/url], on Flickr

The Serial Number puts it at April 1945. The front ring puts it at a 1950 KMZ.

I picked up a 1950 KMZ Jupiter-3 in Contax/Kiev mount, looked unused. The focal length was much too short for a Contax and a Leica, I lenghtened it and put into a Leica focus mount. The glass on mine was perfect, probably because it was unused. Sewing thread was wrapped around the threads to keep it into the Contax/Kiev mount, no shims. I think it was assembly practice, and was never used.

[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/8030920517/][/url]
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/8030920517/]1950 KMZ J-3[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/73370230@N08/]anachronist1[/url], on Flickr

Wide-Open on the M9:

[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/7990167605/][/url]
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/7990167605/]Burke Lake[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/73370230@N08/]anachronist1[/url], on Flickr
It
Jacgues- If the front element on yours has a yellow cast, I would guess that it has been replaced- hence the 1974 namering. The front elements on the newer lenses work quite well on the older KMZ and Zeiss lenses. The black Screwmount focus mount: yours could have been in Contax/Kiev like mine was originally.

Reply author: Kievuser
Replied on: Sep 29 2012 02:05:42 AM
Message:

quote:

---

Originally posted by Jacques M.

Hi Zhang!

I dismounted some of my S-s and one 1e.
They all had that hole.
I am going to look at an early 1c to be sure.

Amitiés. Jacques.

---

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Sep 29 2012 05:43:21 AM
Message:

Thanks Brian! And congrats for your work on your lens!

In fact, on my lens, the front metallic element had a black colour. The yellow comes from brass. I have a Jup 3 with the same front element where brass is visible under black.

As far as I know, all (most of?) the original late wartime 1,5 Sonnars have a metallic external chrome/internal black front element, like this one:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2992012_Sonnar 1,5 wartime 004.jpg

When Sonnars were sent to Kiev, probably the metallic head was not used, and the reengravings (ZK, then Jupiter) were made on a special brass element. Hence this completely black element we find too on the Jupiter 3.

Here, we only speak of 1,5 Sonnars towards 1,5 ZK (scarce!) and Jupiter 3. The 2/5cm lenses are another matter.

But I must confess that I am not sure of anything... I walk on eggs!
If we continue this discussion, perhaps we could open a special thread?

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Sep 30 2012 07:49:01 AM
Message:

Great new items here to see :-)

As I remember my FED Berdsk also have the hole. And there are a lot of FED leather bags existing which have space for an additional slow speed dial on the front.

Here is my newest find, an ultra rare Contax III with engraving "Allemagne S.I." (S.I. stands for Societe Ikonta) on the rewind dial. The 1,5/50 Sonnar is not the original one but I think it looks better with it :-) It comes with a standard 2,0/50 Sonnar. After cleaning it and refreshing the leather a bit it looks really great.





Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Brian
Replied on: Oct 05 2012 9:24:39 PM
Message:

On the Sonnar/J-3 with the 741084 namering: is the coating of the lens element yellow or blue? A yellow color would mean it had been replaced. I've done this with a couple of KMZ J-3's, with great results.

I've been taking apart some J-3's and Sonnars to get some insight on the optical design. I will post a thread on the findings. Mostly, concerns using the J-8 and J-3 on a Leica across the focus range wide-open.

Reply author: jed
Replied on: Oct 21 2012 07:25:05 AM
Message:

Hello,
Just bought a 1950 'export' Kiev 2 camera. I found it here :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/230868450536?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

Listed as non working but I couldn't resist buying it. Contax parts inside, no doubts :)

Needless to say, I'm glad ;)
Jean

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Oct 21 2012 09:04:32 AM
Message:

quote:

---

Originally posted by Brian

On the Sonnar/J-3 with the 741084 namering: is the coating of the lens element yellow or blue? A yellow color would mean it had been replaced. I've done this with a couple of KMZ J-3's, with great results.

---

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Dec 07 2012 5:24:22 PM
Message:

Newest find this week: A nearly complete Kiev 15 TEE set, only instruction booklet is missing. A Kiev 15 TEE with Helios 81 and Jupiter 9 (in box), lens caps, filters, lens hood, leather bag, eye piece and the rare Zenit-M39 adapter. It was made in 1978 and it works very well. It has an interesting shutter mechanism.



Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Jan 18 2013 08:00:51 AM
Message:

I have just received a Fed 1 more...
In fact, rather a Fed reingraved Leica.
Not in very good condition, but it has lived and certainly took many pictures...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1812013_Fed 1d - Leica 002.jpg

More interesting: it came with a genuine Leica from 1939, by the serial number. And the body and the lens were regulated together: there is a shim between the shutter box and the body.

As I can see, the body should be a 1d, serial # between c. 100000-150000. So, body and lens could be contemporaneous. All a story to (re)write!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: esomax
Replied on: Feb 06 2013 11:34:12 AM
Message:

No name - number 011118 LOMO

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: Feb 06 2013 2:20:29 PM
Message:

Hi,
the name plate seems to be lost. I am not sure, that it is the no-name camera.
You have already the manifacturer name (LOMO) on the lens.

Regards, Alexander

Reply author: esomax
Replied on: Feb 06 2013 4:08:02 PM
Message:

quote:

---

Originally posted by AlexanderK

Hi,
the name plate seems to be lost. I am not sure, that it is the no-name camera.
You have already the manifacturer name (LOMO) on the lens.

Regards, Alexander

---

Reply author: Ralph J
Replied on: Feb 28 2013 10:41:45 AM
Message:

Good morning;

One of the local camera pushers surprised me. He had a Kiev-60 sitting in a cardboard box in an unusual location in his shop, but I did see it and recognized it. I began making inquiries. It took a while.

This particular Kiev-60 with the Volna-3C P-6 Mount lens had been sold used to a purchaser a couple of months ago. I have not any sort of idea on how they obtained it originally. Well, two months later, it began to have problems, and the purchaser brought it back to them. This is where I came in and saw it.

So, the mirror goes up and the shutter runs when the film advance lever is swinging back on its return stroke. The TTL Light Meter in the Pentaprism does not work, but it does have the adapter tube in it for holding the 357 batteries. The Waist Level Viewfinder is warped a little and does not come up very well to viewing position. These are the main things I have seen so far.

But it does have the accessory ISO flash shoe mount on the left front of the camera, and it came with the 20mm and 40mm P-6 Extension Tubes.

I probably paid too much for it in this condition, but it is still a lot less than some of the things I was required to pay for in the past for which I received absolutely nothing. I am happy to have a sample of the fully recognized and labeled Kiev-60 in stock. And it will be sent out for the needed repairs and CLA.

So, the Zavod Kyiv (Kiev Arsenal) Medium Format 120 Roll Film camera bodies are complete.

Now there is only the Mir-26 or the rare Mir-69 45mm f:3.5 Wide Angle lens to be found. Optically these lenses seem to be very similar; both of them have noticeable barrel distortion and usually show some chromatic aberration. Usually this is a problem of lens design, and not a quality control or manufacturing defect or lens sample-to-sample variation that can be corrected at a later time. Sorry. That is main reason why I had chosen not to get that particular lens, the 45mm f:3.5 wide angle lens, for my use. But now it looks like I may need to get one for a slightly different purpose.

Enjoy;

Ralph
Latte Land, Washington

Reply author: S.H.
Replied on: Mar 04 2013 04:04:26 AM
Message:

Just bought this nice working Kiev III from a nice German collector. I found the J3 before Christmas last year, it is from 1950 and still has a Zeiss serial from December 1945.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/432013_DSC_4167.jpg

A close up from the Kiev III lens :


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/432013_DSC_4170_crop.JPG

I think collapsible ZK are very uncommon, no? This one looks like the PT3520 in the sovietcams page.

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 04 2013 11:40:16 AM
Message:

Special congrats for your ZK!
Yes, collapsible ones are rare. More: this one is one of the last (by my datas) before Jupiter 8 (with ears).

Of course, it is much easier to fake a rigid ZK than a collapsible one: Jup parts are much more common than Sonnar ones... But certainly it doesn't explain completely the rarity of the collapsible ZK.

I would be interested to have the Zeiss serial number of your Jup 3 for my datas.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: S.H.
Replied on: Mar 04 2013 1:36:48 PM
Message:

Thanks! For some reason, the same collector sold a 1950 Kiev II + rigid ZK for twice the price of mine, the eBay auction went much higher; but it has box and papers. Seems like the III is less valued. Strange, as I thought it was produced in smaller numbers.

My J-3 (PT2020 in sovietcams page) has the soviet s/n 5001482 and the Zeiss s/n 862023 (stands for 2862023) on the rear. Thiele's book says it was produced at the end of 1945, no camera mount is listed so it was probably made without mount at the Zeiss factory to be shipped in the USSR later.

What are the s/n number range for collapsible ZK?

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 04 2013 3:03:47 PM
Message:

Impossible to answer your question precisely.

It seems there is no real correlation between Zeiss s/n ranges and ZK ones... Exactly as if KMZ had picked "by chance" a Zeiss lens in a board to convert it into a ZK. Or to let it live as a Zeiss, with changing the flange (M rather than m). And at the same time, or almost, producing their own optical parts and bodies...

I have for example a Jupiter 12/Biogon with has a 1952 KMZ serial number and a 1943 optical Zeiss one (18/03/43 by Thiele. And a 1951 Jupiter 12 which is a Jupiter 12, and nothing else...

All I say is for wartime LTM lenses. We must keep in mind that pure original LTM lenses are probably rare. Fakes are certainly less numerous that one think. Most of LTM lenses we see on eBay are probably "reconstructed". When? Impossible to know. As for the Contax/Kiev mount, things are probably much more simple, except for those "rigid" 2/5cm ZK-s: original or fake?

If you are interested, I can send you my datas about Kiev cameras and their lens from 1947 to 1950. I had some more precise datas about lenses, but they were lost by my computer.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: S.H.
Replied on: Mar 04 2013 3:27:20 PM
Message:

Well, thanks, it would be nice to have some data about soviet lenses. My email should be in my profile.

For wartime LTM lenses : I have three of them. One is a wartime Biogon (true Zeiss lens), one is a wartime Sonnar 1.5 in a very strange barrel (not at all like a J3 or other Zeiss lenses), one is a wartime Sonnar 8.5cm in an aluminium barrel like the earliest J-9, but with strange unfinished markings.

I can post pictures here if you are interested.

quote:

---

Exactly as if KMZ had picked "by chance" a Zeiss lens in a board to convert it into a ZK. Or to let it live as a Zeiss, with changing the flange (M rather than m). And at the same time, or almost, producing their own optical parts and bodies.

---

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 05 2013 04:06:18 AM
Message:

quote:

---

Originally posted by S.H.

They had perhaps parallel lines running, some with German parts, some with Soviet parts, and technicians learning and going from one to another?

---

Reply author: stephanvdz
Replied on: Mar 08 2013 12:24:21 PM
Message:

a wartime 1,5 with a strange barrel... that sounds interesting ? send a picture

There is a small number of lenses with very bizarre (not zeiss, not russian) engravings... and diamond shaped instead of lines drilleds rings.

as for late or early zeiss or zk lens, I own one of the latest pre ZK lens, a collapsible 5cm/f2 T n° 2936226

Stephan

Reply author: S.H.
Replied on: Mar 08 2013 3:34:43 PM
Message:

Hello Stephan, you know it already, I have shown it on the collection-appareils forum

For the others, here it is :


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/832013_DSC_4151_post.jpg

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/832013_DSC_4149_post.jpg

The rear cam (black part) screws into the mount, unlike the other Sonnars in LTM I have seen and the J-3.

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Mar 09 2013 10:20:52 AM
Message:

Very interesting!
So, the rear cam turns when regulating the distance?
If not, how does that work?

Jacques.

Reply author: S.H.
Replied on: Mar 09 2013 12:42:27 PM
Message:

Yes, it turns. It is threaded into the mount, not smooth.

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: Mar 11 2013 11:02:12 AM
Message:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132013_OlympicFlash.JPG

Jelektronika 85-22 "Olympic" flashlight, and with automatic exposure. So even flaslights were made with the special symbol
Original price 60 rubles 50 kopeka, yesterday one euro

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: S.H.
Replied on: Mar 23 2013 04:18:22 AM
Message:

Hello,

while drinking my morning coffee, I just found a "no name" 1964 Kiev on the auction site :


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2332013_$T2eC16hHJGQE9noMcSRJBRTUs3uCB!~~60_12.JPG

It was described as a regular Kiev (no mention of a "no name" or of the Contax), and sold at the same price than other regular Kievs, so I'll bet it is real. The seller was Ukrainian. It will probably need a good cleaning, I also do not think it will work dependably but it is a nice cheap addition to my Contax lineup.

Some sources say 5000 - 6000 were produced, but they seem to came up regularly, no?

Reply author: Francesco
Replied on: Apr 12 2013 03:48:10 AM
Message:

Just found:
a Zenit E with microphoto attachment Lomo MFN 12
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16J,!zUE9s38-J!IBRSO1Iv2iw~~60_12.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16N,!yUE9s6NDMHfBRSO05y-jg~~60_12.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16Z,!)QE9s3HFhL,BRSO0WIGug~~60_12.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16Z,!ykE9s7t)2pUBRSO0rIVlQ~~60_12.jpg

and a Zorki 4 with microphoto attachment MFN 1; this attachment has a 2 position shutter (M&K).

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16VHJGkE9no8h,fCBRSOpfNiSw~~60_12.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16dHJGkE9no8iPiUBRSOptLb3!~~60_12.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16ZHJHoE9n3KfuB8BRSOp6Ktig~~60_12.jpg

Regards, Francesco

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: Apr 12 2013 11:07:20 AM
Message:

Menopta 53mm f1.8 for kiev RF cameras.
With adapter for using FED cameras.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_02.jpg

Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: Apr 12 2013 3:39:17 PM
Message:

Francesco and Martti,

great finds. Congrats.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Reply author: Francesco
Replied on: Apr 15 2013 07:05:17 AM
Message:

I bought those:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1542013_Immagine 001.jpg

a fully working 1950 Kiev with rigid ZK N°504574, a Jupiter 12 N°5101830 with both metal caps and a turret finder N°005619.

Best regards
Francesco

Reply author: Niko80
Replied on: May 02 2013 4:37:02 PM
Message:

Well, not exactly "just arrived", but stil quite nice:

My FED-S collection

FED-S/c No.69929 with engraving error ("X" missing)
Lens No.22495





FED-S/d No.2570 with "numbering error" (?)
Lens No.25237





FED-S/e No. 174119 (quite normal)
Lens No.32763




-------------------------------------------------------------

FED-S/c No.70883 from Aidas, the camera I use for photography
Lens No.22506






FED 28mm f/4.5 lens No.45964



FED 100mm f/6.3 lens No.34069 with finder (unnumbered)



100mm No.34069 + finder, 50mm macro No.13923 and 28mm No.45964 lenses



All my different prewar FED lenses and accessories:


Top row:
self-timer, leather case for light meter, yellow filters, right angle finder

Mid row:
leather case for 100mm f/6.3 lens, light meter, cardboard case for 28mm f/4.5 lens

Bottom row:
100mm f/6.3 lens with finder, 50mm f/3.5 macro lens, 28mm f/4.5 lens


Except for the light meter (the selenium cell died) all the accessories work fine. Lenses have been collimated for use with FED-S No.70883

I also have some "normal" (yet unusual) prewar FED1 cameras, will post them here as soon as I find the time!

Regards,
Christian

Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: May 03 2013 04:35:46 AM
Message:

Waouh!
Don't tell me you bought all that at the same time!
I have a good collection of Fed 1, but it took 5 or 6 years to me.

I use normally a Fed S too. Now, a 16xxxxx 1d, previously a 67xxx 1c. I find my 1d perfect as a user: it has a marvelous rangefinder. But I changed the lenses by wartime Zeiss lenses...

Congratulation for your collection!

Jacques.

Reply author: Francesco
Replied on: May 03 2013 06:08:41 AM
Message:

My very last find:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/352013_Immagine 001.jpg

Foton N°1088


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/352013_Immagine 002.jpg

in fully working condition too.

Greetings
Francesco

Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: May 03 2013 09:51:17 AM
Message:

Wow!

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: Niko80
Replied on: May 03 2013 10:37:44 AM
Message:

No, not at the same time but within the last 3 years.
When I came to this forum all I wanted was a FED1 for photography since I inherited a non-working FED1c from my grandfather (more about that soon).
Now I have 8 cameras and all these accessories, I guess things got a little out of hand...

Regards,
Christian

Reply author: JimmyB
Replied on: May 03 2013 5:37:35 PM
Message:

(in the right thread this time!)
My Kazan logo lens which will not collapse no matter how I squish it :) I'm unclear-can these be used on old Zorkis, or Feds?


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/352013_lens5.JPG




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/352013_lens4.JPG



JimmyB

Reply author: Archive59
Replied on: May 03 2013 6:20:52 PM
Message:

I was always under the impression that these lens are intended for use on an enlarger, but I could be wrong.

Cheers,
Mark

Reply author: JimmyB
Replied on: May 04 2013 6:48:19 PM
Message:

As far as I know enlarging work is what the lens is used for, but I seem to remember someone somewhere using it on a camera.
In any event,today my export Zorki arrived from Spoleto, Italy. This one gave me concern because it took so long and there are quite a few horror stories about the Italian postal service. However, all is well
I thought I might as well add my Zorki 3 and Zorki C. I was fortunate enough to find the Zorki 3 right here in the US.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/452013_zorkizorki.JPG




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/452013_zorki3.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/452013_zorkic.JPG


JimmyB

Reply author: Francesco
Replied on: May 05 2013 12:28:11 AM
Message:

Great find, Jimmy.
Actually Italy is a good market for FSU cameras. Furthermore, in these days prices are very good because of the crisis. I'm positive you'll find many other stuff in Italy.

Regards.
Francesco

Reply author: ricale
Replied on: May 05 2013 05:48:23 AM
Message:

Only is he's not in competition with me.
frendly
Vittorio

Reply author: JimmyB
Replied on: May 05 2013 11:17:16 AM
Message:

Thank you,Francesco. The price was quite reasonable.
I'm afraid Vittorio has the advantage over me in the Italian market
But I shouldn't complain. Sometimes I run across very good deals here in the US.

JimmyB

Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: May 05 2013 9:55:26 PM
Message:

The export version has very uncommon lens - the rigid Industar-22, nice buy!

Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: May 06 2013 06:46:50 AM
Message:

FOTON is a great find!!!

Reply author: ricale
Replied on: May 06 2013 11:32:25 AM
Message:

Leica cameras and lenses are less expensive in Usa than in Italy. Russian not. For an Italian buyer the problem is custom taxation for cameras from Usa (approximately 25%).
Regards
Vittorio

Reply author: JimmyB
Replied on: May 06 2013 6:59:40 PM
Message:

Vlad, the lense caught my eye and that it was on an export version made it nicer-the Ebay seller spoke no English and I speak no Italian! I was happy to get this one for sure.
Wow, that is expensive Vittorio. That would really raise the cost. What happens if you receive an item from someone in the US as a gift? Would there still be a tax? I'm thinking you might make an arrangement where you could have someone in the US purchase a camera and then send it to you.That might save some money, especially on a very expensive item.

JimmyB

Reply author: ricale
Replied on: May 07 2013 07:50:29 AM
Message:

Normally, Italian Custom does not believe the word "Gift" and applies the tax.Sometime, rarely they accept.
Regards
Vittorio

Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: May 07 2013 11:56:24 AM
Message: