Komsomolets TLR

Yuri,

Could you check the serial number of your Komsomolets #48128228. It's the only camera, that doesn't fit my system ...

Thanks,
Aidas

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Originally posted by Vlad

Just looked at Aidas's site, mine is Type C.. didn't know there were different types... oh man... I'm running out of money getting all these variations... It's a never ending adventure... hehehe... getting more and more expensive the more you collect... yikes!

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Vlad,

sorry to say you, but you need at least eight (8) more Komsomolets to call your Komsomolet's collection more or less complete ...


Regards,
Aidas

Aidas,
To complete by research, this is the last Komsomolets I have, and it is also with the frame counter.

http://www.fedka.com/Pics/Komsomol'tsy/koms4713334.jpg
http://www.fedka.com/Pics/Komsomol'tsy/koms4713334b.jpg

Notice that this one has a window on a side, which is different from the 476444, which ahs window in the middle.
I have no explanation for this. If we agree that 476444 is a lower number than 4713334, then GOMS first made middle window, later for some reason changed it to a side window, and then, at some point again switched to the middle window.
And why the side window at all?? 6x6 frames have number in the center, correct?

Here is a picture of the backs 476444 and 4713334

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Originally posted by AidasCams

Yuri,

Could you check the serial number of your Komsomolets #48128228. It's the only camera, that doesn't fit my system ...

Thanks,
Aidas

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Aidas,
Sorry, here is the verification:

Yura,

check the one with the window on the left.. are you sure is it still 6x6? Usually 6x9 are on the side.. how odd...

and by the way I hate you guys! lol .. Now I have to get 7 more Komsomolets cameras...

Vlad,
No, it is still 6x6. If you open the back door, both cameras look identical inside.
Yuri

Yuri,

Thanks for your missing links ...! I have only one assumption for your Komsomolets #476444 with centered window - the rear door is replaced from the later batch. I have checked all known early "counter" Komsomolets and all of them are left-sided ... So, good news for Vlad indeed , while 1st version has only two types, not the three ones ...

I need some more time, to make my initial conclusions. Now I have at least 5 versions with 8-9 types ...

Regards,
Aidas

Today we have a Red Letter Day in Lithuania, so all my afternoon was occupated by Komsomolets Classificator. Here we have our first results:

http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?-199997211

I still do not possess information about Komsomolets version without filter compartment (mentioned in Princelle book). Any kind of information would be very appreciated ...

Regards,
Aidas

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Originally posted by AidasCams

Yuri,

Thanks for your missing links ...! I have only one assumption for your Komsomolets #476444 with centered window - the rear door is replaced from the later batch. I have checked all known early "counter" Komsomolets and all of them are left-sided ... So, good news for Vlad indeed , while 1st version has only two types, not the three ones ...

I need some more time, to make my initial conclusions. Now I have at least 5 versions with 8-9 types ...

Regards,
Aidas

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Aidas,
Good job on the Komsomolets classification.

Swapped back on my "counter-center window" Komsomolets is one of the ideas. I am not sure how valuable this camera was, and if was worth the trouble.

Another theory - we've seen just about any transitional combinations of parts on the Komsomolets. So this may be just one more transition - - from counter to no counter. maybe they moved the window to the center and checked if it was usable for 120 film, and later removed the counter (covering it with a blank side wall).

Why this transition would have a lower number that other 'side window"cameras - I do not know. We need more Komsomol'tsev to get to the truth.

I wonder if anyone has a Komsomolets manual - I want to understand what is achieved by having a window on a side.

Yuri

Yuri

Hey Komsomolets people!
At first Salute to all!
I shall remember you that 120 films also called BII-8 in Germany and simply 60mm in Russia, had only 6x9 markings up to 1950!. That way, all 4,5x6 cameras without automatic counters manufactured up to 1950 had two red windows for the half format and all 6x6 cameras had a left side red window used for the counter start. Exception done to Rolleiflex that invented and patented the device of measuring thickness of film and start the counter (1937). In 1950 also was standartized the placing of the arrows in the paper back four 6x6 pictures before the seensitive film beginings, that way avoiding the red window that should fog certain films of the era.
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On departure of those premises, one can say - The 476444 Komsomolets had its back door replaced by a newer one.-
In no way this should affect the counter device of the camera nor its usability as a repaired camera.
Historic Regards!
LP

This is an interesting point, but Komsomolets switched to the center (6x6) window in 1948, so I guess the film marked for 6x6 format was already available.

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Originally posted by Luiz Paracampo

Hey Komsomolets people!
At first Salute to all!
I shall remember you that 120 films also called BII-8 in Germany and simply 60mm in Russia, had only 6x9 markings up to 1950!. That way, all 4,5x6 cameras without automatic counters manufactured up to 1950 had two red windows for the half format and all 6x6 cameras had a left side red window used for the counter start. Exception done to Rolleiflex that invented and patented the device of measuring thickness of film and start the counter (1937). In 1950 also was standartized the placing of the arrows in the paper back four 6x6 pictures before the seensitive film beginings, that way avoiding the red window that should fog certain films of the era.
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On departure of those premises, one can say - The 476444 Komsomolets had its back door replaced by a newer one.-
In no way this should affect the counter device of the camera nor its usability as a repaired camera.
Historic Regards!
LP

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Luiz,

It's very interesting what you have said, thanks!

originally posted by Fedka

This is an interesting point, but Komsomolets switched to the center (6x6) window in 1948, so I guess the film marked for 6x6 format was already available.

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In 1950 120 and BII8 were finally standartized. Some films had the center 6x6 marks but believe that neither the length was standard -some were shorter! The Ektachome of 1946 gave only 9 - 6x6 pictures! The film was thicker!

Luiz,

May I use your information in my website, please?


Regards,
Aidas

Of course Aidas!
those 1946 Ektachome, Kodak had already: Kodachrome,(for slides) Kotavachrome (for prints from slides {on celluloid paper]) and Kodacolor for prints on paper since 1941, they put on the market the Ektachome in 1946 including all plate formats up and also for Stereo Rolleidoscop: -Using original pre war Agfacolor formulas! That means: Not only the Russians copied Germans. The Americans also did.