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I know 'A' and 'B' numbered Kievs are special in ways what yet to be discover, but what about FED?
I have FED-2 what is usual in every way, except serial number. It begins with 'A'. Any reasons for it?

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I have a Fed2 with Serial number A088264.

On another forum a person posted some research that showed the A026xxx-A087xxx to be in the 1963-1969 timeframe. Mine must be from around that 1969 timeframe I would suppose.

The further claim is that this makes it a Fed C3 or D. Mine has sync, with selftimer, mushroom knob, new speeds, name in cyrillic (only).

So yours likely has the same features?
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I have FED 2 #A086535 (Very close to the one Aidas has). Also has re-designed top cover (high accessory mounting shoe). "Mushroom" winder, self timer and flash connection in top cover also.
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Hello,

I've just opened a new section in the wiki about these cameras: okynek had suggested to do so and I think it is a good idea.

It would be useful too to put the series of the lens (and its serial number)in the listing: it could help us to understand better this strange camera by comparison with ordinary 2d-s.

Amitiés. Jacques.
PS to Vlad: I asked for removing the main picture. In fact, it is good and belongs to the right camera, but the second one, showing the serial number, would have been better in the title... Possible to invert? Sorry!
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Ha ha, Alain, THAT is the question!
But perhaps it would be easier to answer "when", at least for the moment.
If we could complete the wiki about the serial numbers of "A" and lenses (I insist on the lenses) it would give us an approximation about the date of making. For example, I have in my hands my A078285 with its F410 # 1260371: if I can find somewhere a F410 not far from that number with a passport... Of course, the sellers could have mixed lenses and bodies, so it's important to have many serial numbers in the wiki.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=99&ParentID=1&ContentID=1057&Item=Fed+2+with+A+prefix

As for the question WHY, this was probably a special series, inside the 2d one. If somebody knew about the records of the factory...

Amitiés. Jacques.



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Originally posted by Kievuser

As far as I can see, A series Fed-2 has re-desigend top plate.:-)



I have to correct myself. I just saw a 'A' serial Fed-2 with the old top plate. So the mystery remains.Smile

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The "A" mystery:
All my known A numbered have invariably the embossed rectangular frame. Further models (plain frames) with two script FED and of course steppedd shoe, has no "A" numbers.- those date from 1969.
New speed scale, begun in 1960, together Zaria models.
LP
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Hi Jacques,

The s/n of the camera is A006451, and the lens 1048080.

Kind Regards

Zhang




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Originally posted by Jacques M.


Hi Zhang,
Very interesting!
Can you tell the serial number I cannot read?
Do you have too the type and number of the lens?

Thanks. Jacques.

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Hi Zhang,

So, this "A" would be the first we know (for the moment!)and a "c" type, after the classification of JLP. The other "A"-s all seem "d" type, with the stepped shoe. But it would be useful to have a look at the speed scale of this A too: 1/30th for the d, 1/25th for the c... As for the lens, I think by the # that it's a F410.

To Luis: I thought till now that these "A"s were at the crossroads between the cardinal and the ciphered numberings, and at the beginning of 1d-s, so that they could have been made in 1961 (more or less one year!). If I understand well, you think they were made in 1969?
Second question: what do you call "embossed frame" opposed to "plain frame"? Always my English!

Merci. Amitiés. Jacques.
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Well Zhang, why "A"? Smile I don't know exactly!
I think it could be useful to know all the features of these "A" to classify them amongst the production. And the Fed 2 you show is really very interesting: it has the 1/30th instead of 1/25th for the "c". So, it's probably an early "d" without stepped shoe. As far as we know, the other ones beginning by 02xxxx to 09xxxx do have this stepped shoe and are similar to the "d" described and pictured in the JLP.

Now, a possibility. I always think that Fed could have some problems with their classification in 1961 with the introduction of the "3" and the production of the Zarya. So at that time, they would have introduced a ciphered numeration. That famous "A" would have been the first element for this new classification. But why didn't they go on with that A (and other letters)and they used digits? I don't know!

But I can be completely wrong...

Amitiés. Jacques.

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Hello Jacques

I said Plain frame finder cameras were made from 1969 (1968?). embossed frame finder , before this date. That means that A , variants which all have embossed frames are previous to 1969. but they were produces during a long period because they were numbered in low and high shoes but always in 1/30-1/60-1/125 shutters (post 1960 era).
I believe that high shoes came around 1965, that way, as low shoes A types are rarer, but exists, we can pehaps date the A variants around 1964 or 1963 and pehaps limit its periond around 1963-1967?
any suggestions?
amicalement
LP
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Hello Luiz!

I won't exactly follow you. Smile
In fact, I think that all the A were made at the same time.

Here is my (!) version.

No problem for Fed from 1955 to 1959-1960: serial numbers are ordinal numbers. They are all preceded by N° as for the Fedka series. The last # number I found: 850703 which is a 2c with rim round the rangefinder and low accessory shoe.

Then in 1960-1961 (more or less 1 year), we have some different and probably consecutive numbering systems, certainly because of the two other cameras in production: the Zarya and the Fed 3.

First (perhaps!): a ciphered system beginning by 9 (9874463 for ex: always a 1c with rim, 1/25th, one engraving and low shoe). The "N°" disappears in front of the number and we won't find it again.
Then the cipher becomes "0" (0978307 for ex. Always the same as the 9874463, but with 1/30th instead of 1/25th). If we read these numbers 9-874463 and 0-978307, we find again the ordinal number which gives the production (it's my guess!).

Then a problem. We are not far from 1 million Fed 2 really built, and the last cipher cannot allow to write 1-00000x which is the scale chosen for the 3a first version. So, taken by urgency, Fed uses an A prefix. First known: A006451 with low shoe, then stepped shoe for the other we know. Till now, all Fed 2 will have high shoes. Probably c. 100000 Fed "A" produced in 1961, I think.

After, several numbering jumps are made for the 3, so that Fed can re-utilize the 1-1xxxxx scale. We are perhaps always in 1961.

Then the 2-3xxxxx scale. I think that the 2 gives the year, so 1962 (I have no proof!) and the 3xxxxx the production. These cameras have no rim now, always the 1/30th and the stepped shoe of course. It's in that scale that I discover the first two engraved body.

After that, the 3-, 4- and 5- series: nothing to say. Years 1963 to 1965 I guess.
During all these years (since 1960), the number of production grows continuously, without interruption (as it seems!) behind the cipher. I have not found any exception. And it will continue with the following years.

No problem for 1966 which is prefixed "6". For 1967 (the anniversary!), Fed probably think that it could be fine to use a "67" prefix, so that they keep the "6" for these two years. It could explain why there is no camera with the "7" prefix. Total production: 758406 cameras (since 1960-61?), last number I found with the "6" prefix.

Then the 8 prefix, for the last Fed 2-s. We find the 2e in that scale (but in other scales too which don't belong to the regular 2). It's possible that this cipher was used for the last three years of production: 1968 to 1970 (about 100000 Fed 2 produced).

It's all I have found about the numberings of Fed2-s. No doubt the very rare passports don't help. I tried to make my suppositions as consistent as possible, but they are only suppositions! And we don't have many numbers with the 9-, 0-, and 1- systems...

Amitiés. Jacques.


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