Promiin

I think that this is early night vision devise what looks like a 8mm movie camera.
Probably it was designed for police and security personal.
It has 2 lenses. One for illuminations and second for sensor. It give razer satisfactorily green images.
I wonder if someone have more information on this "camera"?

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Originally posted by okynek

I think that this is early night vision device...

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Nope. This is a pyrometer.

Thank you Zoom! So this devise is for temperature measurement? It may explain the name - "Промiнь" - flame(?) But I still can not figured out how to use it? This instrument does not have any scale, only blurry green images in viewfinder. Any ideas?

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Originally posted by okynek

So this devise is for temperature measurement? It may explain the name - "Промiнь" - flame(?)

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No. Ray, beam... (P.S. this is the Ukrainian language word)

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Originally posted by okynek

But I still can not figured out how to use it? This instrument does not have any scale, only blurry green images in viewfinder. Any ideas?

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It is so simple to find an information about this method: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrometer ;)

Yes, I read this article, but it help me little to use the devise.
I wonder Zoom it you have Promiin and if you can direct me how to use it?

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Originally posted by okynek

I wonder Zoom it you have Promiin and if you can direct me how to use it?

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No, I have not this device...
I think that for a referense you may use this link (in Russian):
http://promsouz.com/OAO_KPPZ_PIROMETR.html
(this is a modern variant of the same device)

Thank you Zoom to direct me to this web side.
I'm extremely busy don't have much time to play more with this device.
If someone interesting on eBay one more camera like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Russian-Night-Vision-monocular_W0QQitemZ320267057869QQihZ011QQcategoryZ83887QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

Today I can answer indefinitely that camera above is indeed night vision devise as it was suspected from the beginning. I found it cousin with paperwork and I finally find time to test both.
And Promin is probably not as old as I was thinking. It cousing PN-1 (pictures below) made by Isum Preborastoitelniy Zavod in 1993.
Because this forum is for Russian film cameras I posting this pictures just for the information because devises like this often advertised as unknown Russian movie cameras. And to be honest also because I'm happy to have it !

The factory that made the night vision scope is also named after Dzerzhinsky... One would think that Dzerzhinsky was some kind of Soviet Barnack, not a GULAG founder.

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Originally posted by okynek

Today I can answer indefinitely that camera above is indeed night vision devise

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PN-1, indeed, is the night vision device.
But "Promin" is the pyrometer, sorry.
See http://www.pribor-komplekt.ru/catalog_304.html

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Originally posted by fedka

One would think that Dzerzhinsky was some kind of Soviet Barnack, not a GULAG founder.

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Sorry, but don't talk rot, if you don't know history. :((
Dzerzhinsky was died in 1926...

Although a bit different from the subject of the night-vision and pyrometer devices, since there were factories and many other things named in honor of Dzerzhinsky in the Soviet Union, it is not hard to read about him and other aspects of Soviet and Czarist history. Here is one thing I read and below that there are two links to WIKI Encyclopedia entries for "Dzerzhinsky" and "Gulag". In my experience, history and personalities are never so simple, and popular views of both are usually not very objective.

"In the 19th century the Russian government deported around 1.2 million prisoners to Siberia. Most of the revolutionary leaders in Russia spent time in Siberia. This included Lenin , Leon Trotsky and Joseph Stalin.
After the Russian Revolution the labour camps in Siberia were closed down. These were later reopened by Joseph Stalin and opponents of his regime were sent to what became known as Glavnoye Upravleniye Lagere (Gulag)."
from http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSgulags.htm

Links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Dzerzhinsky
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

In the case of the FED factory, the fact that it was named after Dzerzhinsky does not have much to do with the beginning of the orphanage that eventually became a camera factory, and probably this is very true with most things that were named in his honor. Just as in most countries many institutions, public and private, are named after famous people, many who also have very complicated histories.

Regards, Bill

I did not make a historical reference, it was a joke. But Dzerzhinsky was very popular for naming institutions, probably second to Lenin.

Revolutionaries who managed to die on their own, before Stalin's purges, were considered "good".

I know you were joking Yuri, and I liked the joke too ... made me laugh! Sorry to be so serious. I think to get an institution named for you anywhere you don't have to be good ... just famous!

Regards, Bill

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Originally posted by nightphoto


from http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSgulags.htm

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You are seriously consider that this source is truthful? :(

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Originally posted by nightphoto

In the case of the FED factory, the fact that it was named after Dzerzhinsky does not have much to do with the beginning...

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In 1927 A.S. Makarenko presented to GPU the project of the organisation of the Children's labour commune in Kharkov.
GPU -- is a organisation, well-known in the West as a "Stalin's secret police, predecessor of the KGB", which also was engaged to work with a homeless children and a minor criminals.
Ukrainian GPU board has made decision to name it in a honour of Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky, who has died one year ago. Necessary money (250000 rubles) have been released not only from a GPU funds, but most from a wages of GPU employees (best known in the West as a "bloody executioners"). In the end of 1927 year the Children's labour commune named after F.E. Dzerzhinsky has been opened.
Btw., the similar colonies have been confirmed still by emperor Alexander-II in 1866...

P.S. Also you may see this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juvenile_court to understanding a problem.

Zoom,

Which part of the statement is not truthful (as to the source ... probably truthful sometimes and sometimes not ... like most sources ;-) :

"In the 19th century the Russian government deported around 1.2 million prisoners to Siberia. Most of the revolutionary leaders in Russia spent time in Siberia. This included Lenin , Leon Trotsky and Joseph Stalin.
After the Russian Revolution the labour camps in Siberia were closed down. These were later reopened by Joseph Stalin and opponents of his regime were sent to what became known as Glavnoye Upravleniye Lagere (Gulag)."
from http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSgulags.htm

And as far as whether the FED Children's Labor Commune being named after Dzerzhinsky had much to do with the Commune itself, its proposed purpose, operation, and organization ... I would say probably no. It was not thought of by him, but by Makarenko and was just named in Dzerzhinsky's honor as he had recently died and was seen as an important hero. Yes, GPU was instrumental in the Communes founding, but not Dzerzhinsky. If he had been alive, no doubt he would have made decisions about the founding of it and then it may not have been named after him either.

Regards, Bill

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Originally posted by nightphoto


Which part of the statement is not truthful

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Whole.
Most terrible it when the truth is mixed with a lie.

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Originally posted by nightphoto

"In the 19th century the Russian government deported around 1.2 million prisoners to Siberia...

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On this place it is possible to stop.
From what source was such number? Well, let so.
But it for 100 years! So: 12000 to a year. 12000 criminals in a year it is a lot of? How many it was deported in Great Britain? Lets compare...
Second: an exiled person is not a prisoner.
Etc.

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Originally posted by nightphoto

It was not thought of by him, but by Makarenko and was just named in Dzerzhinsky's honor as he had recently died and was seen as an important hero.

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Before this commune another has been organised (by Makarenko in 1921), named after M. Gorky, near Poltava.

Well, I think you would have to be more specific about what the true facts are rather than just call the whole paragraph a lie.

For one thing, the definition of "deportation" means the expulsion of a person or group of people from a place or country. Not having to do with "exile" or necessarily "out of a country" ... it can also mean being moved to a different place.

Here is another statement I found :

"Siberia is virtually a synonym for a dire threat hung over the heads of dissenters. In 1914, about 9 million people lived in Siberia, of whom around 1 million were prisoners or deportees. Siberia came to house many of Russia's greatest novelists. Revolutionary opponents of the Czar were also likely to have suffered years of imprisonment in Siberia. Lenin, Stalin, and Trotsky all spent time in Siberian exile."

There are many references to the history of the Cazrs in the 19th and early 20th century regarding the amounts of criminals, political dissenters, and others who where imprisoned in Siberian prisons. In these references numbers vary but are mostly over 1 million. No one is saying 12,000 per year ... maybe some years more and some years less and probably it varied with the political climate and the particular Czar and administration in power. But it is quite clear that large numbers of prisoners being sent to Siberia was not a new thing invented by the Communists or implemented by Dzerzhinsky.



Regards, Bill

I did not want to start this argument, sorry.

But Zoom, if you see an incorrect statement, please correct it to the best of your knowledge. That's what all these forums are about.

Bill finds information and shares it. It may or may not be correct, but we'll never know unless someone comes up with a better source.

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Originally posted by nightphoto

But it is quite clear that large numbers of prisoners being sent to Siberia was not a new thing invented by the Communists or implemented by Dzerzhinsky.

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Yes, but why you (or they) didn't compare this large numbers with a numbers of a deported in Great Britain to Australia (or in USA, or in France, etc.)? What country had more pursued people?
Therefore I see only a prejudiced opinion that in the "bloody" Russia all was bad, and on the contrary -- in the goody-goody West all was extremely well.
Sorry for offtopic...

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Originally posted by fedka

But Zoom, if you see an incorrect statement, please correct it to the best of your knowledge.

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Dzerzhinsky was not the GULag founder.