Interesting compilation FED/Zorki

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Originally posted by Lenny

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Originally posted by Fred_L


No problem to put into the wiki, Thank you very much!!

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Ok great, thanks Fred,

please tell us your lens serial.

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Ok Lenny
I'll try to make more pics too..

Fred

I also have a Fed NKVD with 1000/s position but not mentioned on speed selector..

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Originally posted by ricale

I also have a Fed NKVD with 1000/s position but not mentioned on speed selector..

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Thanks Vittorio,

do you think you have 1/1000 speed?
Or could it be that you have 2 slots with 1/500?
Is yours far away from #174456?

The number is 83059. The curtain is faster than 1/500. The number 1000 is engraved by hand

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Originally posted by Fred_L

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Originally posted by Lenny

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Originally posted by Fred_L


No problem to put into the wiki, Thank you very much!!

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Ok great, thanks Fred,

please tell us your lens serial.

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Ok Lenny
I'll try to make more pics too..

Fred

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Hi lenny
Please find below pictures of the lens..
Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1742016_P4172141.JPG




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1742016_P4172142.JPG

Thanks Fred,

is there no number at the lock?

#6696 is a nice number because it can be read 9699 too.

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Originally posted by ricale

The number is 83059. The curtain is faster than 1/500. The number 1000 is engraved by hand

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That's interesting Vittorio.
Could it be Fed produced an Fed-S and sold it much cheaper as a non-S ?
There might be other hidden S.

There is no mystery.
About the speeds, the main difference between a Fed S and a regular NKVD is the presence -or not- of a screw on the speed wheel.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1742016_DSCF2366.JPG

Here, the "announced" speed is the 1/60th. Around, you have the different holes for the speeds from Z to 1/1000th. 9 in total, if I include the 1/60th.

The screw on the speed wheel prevents from reaching the 1/1000th. Here, the foreseen speed is 1/500th:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1742016_DSCF2368.JPG

The NKVD which have a 1/1000th position simply lack this famous screw. Intentional or not, I don't know.
About having two notches for the same speed (the 1/500th, here), it is mechanically impossible.

Jacques.

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Originally posted by Jacques M.


About having two notches for the same speed (the 1/500th, here), it is mechanically impossible.

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I thought about that Jacques, but maybe somehow mechanically it could fall back to the 1/500 slot. A way a faker would try to make an 'S'. That's why I asked if a speed difference can be seen on the curtains.
I can't imagine Fed would have forgotten to engrave the '1000'. When testing the camera they should have noticed it and then it's not a big deal to change the speed dial.

"Thank you for your photos and explanations, Jacques!"

That said, your maybes are certainly right, Lenny! Maybe an error of the factory, maybe a fake, maybe a wrong re-mounting after repair...

Thanks Jacques,

so every NKWD should have 1/1000 speed, only the ones which were more reliable were allowed to run 1/1000. Do you think so too Jacques?
And what did KMZ do, it seems in 1948 they didn't test which Fed-Zorkis were reliable enough to run 1/1000, they let all run 1/1000, till the Fed parts were used up.

We must be more cautious.
My two photos are from 1d-s. Here is an other of my S-s, in fact my earliest (an early 1c).



As you can see, it has an other system...
Last thing. I won't post any more about that question. If we are not wise enough, we will have soon heaps of S-s for sale on the net.

Jacques.

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Originally posted by Jacques M.

We must be more cautious.
My two photos are from 1d-s. Here is an other of my S-s, in fact my earliest (an early 1c).
As you can see, it has an other system...

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Thanks Jacques,

I think so too, and there already might be some of them. But for me, I really don't need 1/1000 and I'm not looking for them. Lenny is very humble and can fall in love with some 1/500. 1948 Fed-Zorkis is another story because they mostly have 1/1000, but there are so many fakes as we just could see and I don't want to get cheated like Fred was.

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Originally posted by Lenny

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Originally posted by Jacques M.

We must be more cautious.
My two photos are from 1d-s. Here is an other of my S-s, in fact my earliest (an early 1c).
As you can see, it has an other system...

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Thanks Jacques,

I think so too, and there already might be some of them. But for me, I really don't need 1/1000 and I'm not looking for them. Lenny is very humble and can fall in love with some 1/500. 1948 Fed-Zorkis is another story because they mostly have 1/1000, but there are so many fakes as we just could see and I don't want to get cheated like Fred was.

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Hi all...

I think, as Lenny said, that each time we buy 1948 Fed/Zorki, we have the risk to buy a fake, especially on the web..
In fact, the problem is to fix at what price we consider getting cheated...
If price is more or less at regular Fed 1 B or C or NKVD price, I consider it is not a problem and I accept the risk.
These fakes are sometimes really nice and open new questions.. For instance, why my fake 1948 Fed Zorki came with (fake?)collapsible 1948 ZK???

Fred

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Originally posted by Fred_L


I think, as Lenny said, that each time we buy 1948 Fed/Zorki, we have the risk to buy a fake, especially on the web..
In fact, the problem is to fix at what price we consider getting cheated...
If price is more or less at regular Fed 1 B or C or NKVD price, I consider it is not a problem and I accept the risk.
These fakes are sometimes really nice and open new questions. For instance, why my fake 1948 Fed Zorki came with (fake?)collapsible 1948 ZK???

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Of course Fred, if it's not expensive there is not much risk, and if the lot includes an early Fed-2 you want to have, it's easy to make a decision.
The collapsible lens is nice too, but I know nothing about this type of lens and could not decide if real or not, but for the right price it would be nice to have even if it's not genuine.

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Originally posted by Lenny

Lenny is very humble and can fall in love with some 1/500.

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Ha ,ha!

You should have a special look at your lens, Fred. It is impossible to fake a collapsible Zeiss mount, and KMZ never produced them. Even if you don't have the Zeiss number, your lens has Zeiss origins.

About Fed-Zorkis, I am not sure we can always say "this one is genuine, this one is not". OK if the speed dial is wrong and the body is a Fed 1b's... But what about a cover with the engraving of a 1d or 1e Fed inside? We think that the 1/1000th mechanisms could have Fed origins. So, why not some Fed covers reingraved at KMZ's? Heresy? It's the case for numerous 1947/48 Kievs, more or less in the same conditions.

Concerning the shutter box, I have 8x1/500th before s/n 3000 in my data. And 3 more which are fakes, for sure. And many 1/1000th, of course.

Note that Guido has a very interesting article on his site concerning that question. But in German... anyway, it's better than Russian!

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Originally posted by Jacques M.


About Fed-Zorkis, I am not sure we can always say "this one is genuine, this one is not". OK if the speed dial is wrong and the body is a Fed 1b's... But what about a cover with the engraving of a 1d or 1e Fed inside? We think that the 1/1000th mechanisms could have Fed origins. So, why not some Fed covers reingraved at KMZ's? Heresy? It's the case for numerous 1947/48 Kievs, more or less in the same conditions.

Concerning the shutter box, I have 8x1/500th before s/n 3000 in my data. And 3 more which are fakes, for sure. And many 1/1000th, of course.

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That's an interesting way to see it Jacques, that more Fed parts could be used originally for Fed-Zorkis than only the shutter box and parts of the speed system.
Before #03000 I have 18 in my database with 1/500 and 12 of them I have marked as fakes. This decisions to mark them as fakes must not be accurate because of inexperience and I don't have all the pictures to check them again. But 2/3 of all of them makes me think that all 18 could be fakes, but I never had one of them in my hands.