Kiev 17 question

I noted the Kiev 17 put by Vlad at; http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=20&ParentID=1&ContentID=280&Item=Kiev+17
It seems a hand made camera and not a series produced one, --Or an extremely hard-to-find item.
1) Lens has Arsat engraved I believe this name was adopted only after 1999?
2) Camera and lens numbers begin with 95XXXX . those cameras ended production in 1985!
3) Made in Ukraine... OK in 1995 but not in 1985....
4) Shuter speeds only ut to to 1/500 - Originally they go up to 1/1000
5) The camera has no exposure meter, So, why need battery cover?
6) Original film speed reminder is flat in Kiev 17 model
6) Tripod socket are originally off center in Kiev 17
7) Which is the seventh error? I know it is there.... Let us play the "Game of Seven Errors"
LP

What? Weird!! Is it possible this is a mislabeled Kiev 19? I didn't even notice!

Vlad

You bet!
These cameras are truly amusemeents! I like doing those transformations and like to see them! Those beasts put on foolish all camera historicians specialists.
Which is the seventh error?
LP

Luiz,

Number 7 error may be "no self timer on the front"! 3;-)

Numer 8 is ? .... wrong nameplate!

Regards, Bill

Number 9 - It seems that real Kiev 17 has the round exposure calculator on the back, when this one has square window for notes..

damn... I guess I got the 19 instead of 17... the bad part is it came from a dealer than never should have made such a mistake.. I'll have to take it up with him.. having never owned a Kiev 17 I wouldn't have know what to look for right away... I guess I need to buy a real Kiev 17 now...

What should I do with this entry??

Vlad,

I hate to say this... but if you think it is a "fake" then it is an unusual one and you may want to rewrite or edit your entry and put it in that category for others to see.



Regards, Bill

I'm not so sure what to think.. I'm leaning toward completely removing it for now and then posting real one once I buy it.. or at least replace the images with one maybe from Aidas' site until I get a "real" one, at least we'll have an entry...

In any case I'll address it this week.

Thanks Bill!

Vlad

I've removed the entry for now.

Vlad.

I'm taking a chance that it may be a rare camera, but I don't need another Kiev 19 so I decided to sell it on eBay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180175191960

Vlad.

Hi,

I have a Kiev 17 s/n 822361. It has a 1/1000 top speed and a 1" slow speed. It has a mutiple exposure button on the winding nob, and no ttl metering. I believe I found the 7th error?

Zhang

hey men ...
and what that ?:

oups...

What the heck? Another Kiev 19?

It is looks like Kiev 19. Only letters fall off