USSRPhoto.com

Forums / Collectors and Users Open Forum

Kiev III - A and B markings - Round 2

33 posts in this thread showing replies 21-32 of 32
Reply with Quote Edit Reply Delete Reply
Steve, that is a very logical conclusion!

Jean, so to answer your question if to follow Steve's logic Arsenal didn't account for the possiblity of using the lightmeters in parallel so they may have only started doing so some time in 1952. So if it makes sense once they started mixing in the Arsenal light meters and making parallel production they would mark them A or B and anything before that would by default have a Zeiss meter. And it would go on until 54 and then anything after 54 would not have letters, by default would have Arsenal meter. Question is are there 53 Kievs without the letter? That may disprove my hypothesis if there are. Smile


Cheers,
Vlad
Reply with Quote Edit Reply Delete Reply
Vlad,
You're right last A camera is around mid-56. They started in 1951 (I own 2 cameras). I believe each year some cameras were released without letters (I own cameras from 1951, 52, 55, 56).
Reply with Quote Edit Reply Delete Reply
Took apart 3 cameras, tired and disappointed.
1954 "B" with GOST dial
1954 "A" with GOST (square A if anybody cares)
1953 "A" with DIN

All 3 have the same cell, glass on a metal substrate. One wire is soldered to the front of the cell and another - to a flat (leaf) spring that makes contact with the metal substrate. They scratched the substrate to make a better connection.

We need new theories...

Pictures below, see file names



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/27122016_B_GOST.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/27122016_A_SQ_GOST.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/27122016_A_DIN.JPG

Reply with Quote Edit Reply Delete Reply
damn! Smile. Thanks for doing this work Yury! So what about circling back to precision as to original Anatoly Zilbert's theory? As the GOST specification is from early 60s and these Kievs are from 1950s, it does cast a doubt but I wonder how does the precision gets measured in order to classify the meters?

Vlad
Reply with Quote Edit Reply Delete Reply
Vlad,
Sorry, not ready for the original theory.
The meters were, of course, calibrated at the factory, using some sort of reference light. Determining accuracy and precision (not the same thing, can explain if needed) can be done using special instruments and procedures, and certainly the meters, just like the shutters or lenses, were found of higher and lower performance.

But once again - my main question - if they indeed differentiated between meter grades - why not bring it up in the manual, or passport (where other important parameters, like resolution of the lens, are recorded). What is the point of grading meters if nobody knows about it?

Interestingly, Victor Suglob's book, as comprehensive as it is, does not even mention these letters.

Maybe the serial number engraver was bored and introduced letter A for fun, and then made it "square" A, and was bored still, started adding B, and then retired (or got arrested).






quote:
Originally posted by Vlad

damn! Smile. Thanks for doing this work Yury! So what about circling back to precision as to original Anatoly Zilbert's theory? As the GOST specification is from early 60s and these Kievs are from 1950s, it does cast a doubt but I wonder how does the precision gets measured in order to classify the meters?

Vlad

Reply with Quote Edit Reply Delete Reply
quote:
Originally posted by fedka


Maybe the serial number engraver was bored and introduced letter A for fun, and then made it "square" A, and was bored still, started adding B, and then retired (or got arrested).




Ha ha!Big smile

Finally, the track of the lightmeter is perhaps not the only one. On re-reading the thread, I have compared with the s/n in the wiki. And we have two Kievs which are "out of the scale": the III s/n A480075 owned by Alexander (we already discussed about that camera, if I remember), and the A480123 which is a Kiev II. A mistake in engraving? Or the lightmeter is not the explanation?

This "A" remembers me too a jump in numbering. Fed did the same in 1960 when there was a "collapsing" between their Fed 2 and Fed 3 numberings... But is it the problem here?

Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply with Quote Edit Reply Delete Reply
Wow that is early! Another reputable Arsenal collector was also telling me that the A possibly meant export camera with lightmeter calibrated for western standards/precision. And Б was domestic as you mostly only find them on the old USSR territory and A is mostly found abroad. Any comments on that?

Also Yuri and I had established from a serial # list that we collected that Б (B) only existed in 1954. If anyone can refute that it would be very interesting!
Thanks,
Vlad
Reply with Quote Edit Reply Delete Reply
Hi Vlad,

I've got 9 Kiev 3 A prefix camera. All of them bought from Russia or Ukraine.
I would love to see hight quality pictures of the 1948 "A" Kiev III.

Best,
Jean

Reply to Topic

Forum code enabled