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Hello,

Really glad to meet specialists of FSU cameras! And thanks to Alain who let me know this site!Smile
I am fond of Feds, especially prewar ones. And I have wondered for several years how many Fed S there are, perhaps because I own 5 of them. I was said 2000. But why?
Impossible to answer directly that question, but it seems to be easier by the lens. The 2/50 is the only common lens for S, it cannot be seen on any other cameras (except the B!)and it's almost impossible to find one for sale alone. So number of 2/50 = number of S or about.
I found about 30 2/50 the numbers of which I could get from the buyers (or read on some sites) and only three of them alone. All the numbers were included within c. 21000 and c. 33000.

It's all I can tell reasonably. To believe that 12000 2/50, thus 12000 S were produced would be a nonsense: one knows how the Plans worked. But in my opinion, there were more than 2000 S. Less than 12000, anyway!

Amicalement. Jacques.
PS: I'm always collecting numbers of S+2/50, 4,5/28mm (numbers certainly between 40-47000), 6,3/100mm (between 30-40000) and accessories. So, if you have one, don't hesitate!
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Hi Jacques!

Welcome to the site! Always great to have fellow collectors join! Go through previous forum posts when time allows, you will find a wealth of information.

I just got my FED-S from repair and CLA at Yuri B of Fedka - what a great job they did with a camera! It feels like I'm handling a new FED Smile.. the serial # of is 115356 and 2/50 lens is 27282 batch 78.

Best regards,
Vlad
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Hello Jacques,

Welcome to the forum and good to see another collector from France! I love the FED-S too. I have several and I agree with you that there may be more than 2000 examples as they show up fairly often compared to other cameras known to be made in only 2000 examples. So my guess may be around 50000, but just a wild guess.
What do you think about how many FED-S were made with the "Berdsk" markings? I have one, but I don't see them very often.

Regards, Bill

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Hello Jacques and welcome to the forum!

It's very nice to meet a collector with at least five "Komandirskij" Feds. My Fed-C comes with serial numbers #133561 (body) and #31409 (lens). I have one more 2/50 lens with strange number #34 only ...


Regards,
Aidas
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Originally posted by cedricfan

IIRC Aidas has one, I think I helped him to get it several years ago?

http://www.cedricfan.sivut.ws/Juhani's%20website%20ORIGINAALIT/



Yea, Juhani helped to get one from Australia. Few years ago PayPal subsumed Lithuania as a"banana" country, so no PayPal transactions were allowed from here. My Berdsk comes with serial number #180805 and seems to be from the late batch. The lowest serial number I know : # 173.654 (was sold on eBay in 2003). The highest one - # 183.892 (I can't remember the source right now).

Regards,
Aidas

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But I am wondering if anyone knows approximately how may FED-1S were made with the Berdsk version of engraving.

So, how many FED-1S Berdsk? Anyone know or care to hazard a guess?

Regards, Bill

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Hello Bill,

I have a Fed-1 Berdsk with 1/1000 top speed. I think these are quite rare. They are much less often seen than Fed S. I would guess less than 500 of these were made during the the war.

Kind Regards,

Zhang

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But I am wondering if anyone knows approximately how may FED-1S were made with the Berdsk version of engraving.

So, how many FED-1S Berdsk? Anyone know or care to hazard a guess?

Regards, Bill



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Well in this case, I believe that since the FED-1S came with the F 2.0 lens and other FED-1 cameras did not, the special qualities of the FED-1S were that it had a speed of 1/1000 sec. and a faster lens, so it could shoot in both lower and higher light levels and stop motion better. This is why the designation "S". So, to my way of thinking it would only be a FED-1S if it had that lens attached to it. If it did not have that lens and had another then it would be a "FED-1S with non-original lens".

Regards, Bill

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You're probably right, unless there was a batch of FED-S cameras with 1/1000 and the F3.5s.. then they wouldn't be "non-original lens"... Wink I could argue forever Bill... hehehe

another question - does anyone or anyone you know actually possess FED-B? It's the FED-S with the slow shutter dial? Or this thing is a fake from the beginning? Jean Loup says that around 40 units were made. I added a Feica to the modified section that has such a thing, I can't image someone would adulterate a real FED-B....

Vlad
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OK Vlad! ... let's argue forever on this one! Here is an excerpt from the well-known article by Oscar Frike, "The Dzerzhinsky Commune: Birth of the Soviet 35mm Camera Industry" , which Yuriy's site has a link to, and which also addresses your question about FED-B.:

"In 1937, preparations began on the development of the two new FED models. The first was the FED-B, to be introduced in 1938 [52]. It was identical to the standard FED, except for a top-shutter speed of 1/1000 and a separate slow-speed dial on the front of the camera body for the additional speeds between 1/20 and one second. The FED-B would have been a duplicate of the Leica IIIa (G), but the project was dropped and never reached the production stage. Only 40 examples were built experimentally in 1937, after which they were no longer mentioned in the literature.

A second new model, however, did reach the production stage, and was indeed introduced in 1938. This was the FED-S (Cyrillic letter 'C', which corresponds to the English letter 'S'). The sole deviations from the standard FED were an additional top speed of 1/1000 and the faster f2 lens as standard equipment. Innovations were very slow in coming. It is apparent that the FED-S was produced in smaller quantities than the standard model. This model also appeared in Leica guise, with its f2 FED lens engraved instead 'Leitz Summar'. The focusing mount of this 'Summar', however, was quite different from that of the real 50 mm f2 Summar."

Here is the link to the complete article, which is long, but good for complete FED history:

http://www.fedka.com/Useful_info/Commune_by_Fricke/commune_A.htm

Regards, Bill

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hi all,
i possess a fed B (just flash synch post-modifyed ) came from Leica shop and certifye authentic by Milos Mladek....
by the way i have also a fed-Kmz Tongue
(i sent picture to Viktor, for his book)
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Hello,
Marvelous!
I was out for some days and couldn't discuss with you. Sorry!
And my English is not so fluent, so I will only do some remarks.

1- It seems evident for me that a Fed S is only a S with its 2/50 lens. And I don't see on eBay lots of S with 3,5/50: only one now exactly. So I thought till now that number of 2/50 = number of S. But of course, no proof!

2- The Princelle notes that S are possible for c and d series only. But some Berdsk-S can be registered. I own one in the 181000 which seems to be true. But no proof once more: it's so easy to take an S in the 150000 and to put the cover of a Berdsk....

3- In my opinion, there were some rare Berdsk S really made (I have traced 6 bodies, including mine). After WW2, the factory had real problems to begin again production, and all the possible spares were certainly used. Why not from S coming from d-series? And more: the 1/1000th shutter of some Fed-Zorki certainly come from S shutters: KMZ didn't make such shutters for their 1...

4- I tried to classify S bodies and 2/50 by pairs. Each time I had seen an S, I asked for the # of the body and the lens. I hoped that the first body(c. 56000)had the first lens(c. 21000) and the last had the last one (c. 33000)and so on inside. What a disappointment when I noticed that ten pairs out of 30 only were "on the line"or not far! All I can tell -but I think it can be important- is that almost all the first half of S bodies (c. 56000 to c. 115000) have lenses from the first half (c. 21000 to c. 27000), mutatis mutandis for the second halves. As if the 2/50 lenses had been made in two batches corresponding to two different periods, for example early 1938 and end 1939, stored, and taken when necessary.

5- About Berdsk (the plain one, not S), I cannot be more precise than Aidas. I have a plain one with # 182912 and I never saw a number exceeding 184000.

6- About 2/50 lenses, the individual serial number is a thing, but what about the batch? In fact, what is a batch for prewar Fed lenses? Of course, it can be a global number common to a certain number of lenses. OK. But I was also said that it was the mark of the workshop which made them. OK. Lately, one of my friends told me that it can be the number of a secret factory: optics and armament depend on military secrets. Kalashnikovs are numbered in such a manner! OK again. What else??

7- If I have a look at my lenses, here are the numbers and corresponding batches:
- 21488: 105. This one is a fake Summar true 2/50 Fed lens.
- 22001: 32,
- 26708: 74-7,
- 27890: 41,
- 29044: 59.
No arithmetic reason in these numbers...
And I don't understand the number given by Aidas. Perhaps only the batch?

I stop now. It's already far too long!
Amicalement. Smile Jacques.

PS: really thanks for your #. If you could give me those of your extra lenses (including the 3,5/50 macro I had forgotten in my first mail), don't hesitate!



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Hi,

I often saw Milos Mladek's name mentioned. Is he a famous collector of Russian cameras? Is he a member of this forum? Sorry for my ignorance.Blush



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Originally posted by mermoz37

hi all,
i possess a fed B (just flash synch post-modifyed ) came from Leica shop and certifye authentic by Milos Mladek....
by the way i have also a fed-Kmz Tongue
(i sent picture to Viktor, for his book)

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Hi Aidas,
I confirm: some 3,5/50 rigids don't have any #.
Two sellers I asked for that explained that a non numbered batch was made very early in the fifties or late in the forties.
Why not?
As far as I know, it's the only extra lens which can be found without number.

Amicalement. Jacques.
PS: Milos Mladek: collector, Wien, Österreich. (The Princelle!).

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