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Alexander K.
AlexanderK

Germany
590 Posts
Posted - Jan 09 2010 :  5:50:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello,
some weeks ago I have complemented my collection with a very interesting and, I think, rare ZK lens with rather low serial number (000532).


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/912010_p2.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/912010_p1.jpg

Whether somebody knows, how long this ZK lens has been produced and what is the largest known number? On the I-page http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/lenses/jupiter-8.html I have found this lens with #1262.

Regards, Alexander
David Tomlinson
RCCCUK
United Kingdom
208 Posts
Posted - Jan 10 2010 :  04:50:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Alexander,

The rigid 39mm screw mount version of the ZK seems to be rarer than the Kiev/Contax mount version. I have two versions of this lens with Kiev/Contax mount. One is a ZK of 1948 #000378 and the other is a ZK Zorki of 1949 #4903170. I also have a collapsible ZK Zorki 39mm screw mount lens of 1950 # 5001949. I do not know if the serial numbers are specific to the mount type, or whether all f/2 5cm lenses had one series of numbers. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of these lenses can let us know.

David

(http://www.rcccuk.com)
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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
176 Posts
Posted - Jan 16 2010 :  3:51:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've got almost the same lens with the same mount but in Carl Zeis Jena 2687429 T... thought at first that was an industar 26 mount with a sonnar barrel and glass.

I would be very interested to see the back of the mount... and if possible the zeiss serial number that is hidden in this lens...



Stephan
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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
176 Posts
Posted - Jan 16 2010 :  5:46:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
to see that... just take the back part of the lens out and look for a 6digit number...

Stephan
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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
176 Posts
Posted - Jan 17 2010 :  2:31:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the sonnar that looks like your zk...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1712010_sonnarZKmount.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1712010_sonnarZKmount.jpg



Stephan
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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
176 Posts
Posted - Jan 17 2010 :  2:34:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1712010_sonnarZKmount1.jpg



Stephan
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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
176 Posts
Posted - Jan 17 2010 :  2:36:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1712010_sonnarZKmount2.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1712010_sonnarZKmount4.jpg



Stephan
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts
Posted - Jan 17 2010 :  3:22:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Stephan!
Fine to see you back!
The smell of Zeiss's lenses...
In fact, I agree: it would be interesting to know more about the back of Alexander's ZK.

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
176 Posts
Posted - Jan 17 2010 :  3:29:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
and for your eyes only... a ZK that is not zeiss...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1712010_ZK.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1712010_ZK1.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1712010_zk2.jpg



Stephan
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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
176 Posts
Posted - Jan 17 2010 :  3:36:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
and a zeiss that should have been a ZK... see the serial number


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1712010_sonnarwartimef2.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1712010_sonnarwartimef2bis.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1712010_sonnarwartimef2ter.jpg



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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
590 Posts
Posted - Jan 19 2010 :  12:46:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Stephan,
Hello Jacques,

I have took out the back ring, but I have not found any number . What do I do wrong?

Regards, Alexander
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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
176 Posts
Posted - Jan 19 2010 :  2:03:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ok... you have to take out the back part of the lens... with a spanner wrench (you have two black rings inside the rangefinder cam)... normally it comes out easily...

if you look at the picture of the zeiss lens just above... it's the black rimmed part with two grips for the spanner wrench... nothing hard... on my lenses it comes out easily with the rim only...

Stephan

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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
176 Posts
Posted - Jan 19 2010 :  2:08:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
a zeiss number looks like this (here on a 1,5 contax mount sonnar)


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1912010_wartimesonnar.jpg

now you see which black part you have to unscrew...

Stephan
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zhang
Kievuser
310 Posts
Posted - Jan 20 2010 :  12:44:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

I think ltm ZK and early Jupiter-8's back should have no screws like the one on the right, am I right? Or there are more versions?

Cheers,

Zhang


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2012010_IMG_8941.JPG

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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
176 Posts
Posted - Jan 20 2010 :  12:16:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
what lens is on the left ? it's the same mount as mine...

Stephan
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zhang
Kievuser
310 Posts
Posted - Jan 20 2010 :  7:30:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stephanvdz

what lens is on the left ? it's the same mount as mine...

Stephan



On the left is a 1955 Jupiter-8. Pleas check #bay item:320467005850 a ZK lens has the same mount as the one on the right.

Zhang
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
590 Posts
Posted - Jan 21 2010 :  2:59:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My lens has the mount as on the right lens. It is not easy to disassemble this lens, so I would try it first on my old Jupiter-8 with the same mount.

Regards, Alexander
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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
176 Posts
Posted - Jan 21 2010 :  3:47:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
you need a spanner wrench to unscrew the back block of the lens... easy... but precise... it's never hardly screwed...

S.

Stephan
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David Tomlinson
RCCCUK
United Kingdom
208 Posts
Posted - Mar 22 2010 :  08:50:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
While have a bit of a sort out of my collection, I have just come across this lens.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2232010_ZK f2-5a.jpg

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2232010_ZK f2-5b.jpg

Although marked ZK, 1951, No. 011615, it appears to be a Jupiter-8. My guess is that the markings have been added later. What do you think?

David

(http://www.rcccuk.com)
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts
Posted - Mar 24 2010 :  09:30:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi David,
Certainly you are right, or your lens is an exception.
After my datas:
- there is no 1951 2/50 ZK lens,
- all the 2/50 ZK lenses have "ears" at the diaphragm ring,
- last known ZK 2/50: serial number 5005206 (Zhang datas). First known Jupiter 8: serial # 5005386 (my collection, on a 1950 Kiev II), with ears too.

Perhaps it would be useful to put that in the wiki, as the 1950 year is a transition for ZK and Jupiter lenses.

Amitiés. Jacques.


Edited by - Jacques M. on Mar 24 2010 09:31:53 AM
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
973 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 25 2010 :  09:58:24 AM  Show Profile  Visit AidasCams's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Jacques,

let me show you one picture below ...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2532010_zk-zorki_1951.jpg

Best Regards,
Aidas
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts
Posted - Mar 25 2010 :  10:28:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Aidas,

I think there are some interesting differences between the two 1951 2/50 ZK lenses: yours and David's...
Anyway, a genuine 1951 ZK would be a novelty (for me!). But no doubt KMZ could have found some old parts in their boards! It would not be the first time...

I have just checked my datas: all these lenses (the 1950 and 1951 ones) have 7 ciphers, not 6 ?...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Edited by - Jacques M. on Mar 25 2010 3:06:21 PM
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