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09/29/2012 05:43

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Thanks Brian! And congrats for your work on your lens!

In fact, on my lens, the front metallic element had a black colour. The yellow comes from brass. I have a Jup 3 with the same front element where brass is visible under black.

As far as I know, all (most of?) the original late wartime 1,5 Sonnars have a metallic external chrome/internal black front element, like this one:
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http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2992012_Sonnar 1,5 wartime 004.jpg

When Sonnars were sent to Kiev, probably the metallic head was not used, and the reengravings (ZK, then Jupiter) were made on a special brass element. Hence this completely black element we find too on the Jupiter 3.

Here, we only speak of 1,5 Sonnars towards 1,5 ZK (scarce!) and Jupiter 3. The 2/5cm lenses are another matter.

But I must confess that I am not sure of anything... I walk on eggs!Big smile
If we continue this discussion, perhaps we could open a special thread?

Amitiés. Jacques.


09/30/2012 07:49

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Great new items here to see :-)

As I remember my FED Berdsk also have the hole. And there are a lot of FED leather bags existing which have space for an additional slow speed dial on the front.

Here is my newest find, an ultra rare Contax III with engraving "Allemagne S.I." (S.I. stands for Societe Ikonta) on the rewind dial. The 1,5/50 Sonnar is not the original one but I think it looks better with it :-) It comes with a standard 2,0/50 Sonnar. After cleaning it and refreshing the leather a bit it looks really great.





Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

10/05/2012 21:24

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On the Sonnar/J-3 with the 741084 namering: is the coating of the lens element yellow or blue? A yellow color would mean it had been replaced. I've done this with a couple of KMZ J-3's, with great results.

I've been taking apart some J-3's and Sonnars to get some insight on the optical design. I will post a thread on the findings. Mostly, concerns using the J-8 and J-3 on a Leica across the focus range wide-open.

10/21/2012 09:04

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Originally posted by Brian

On the Sonnar/J-3 with the 741084 namering: is the coating of the lens element yellow or blue? A yellow color would mean it had been replaced. I've done this with a couple of KMZ J-3's, with great results.


You are right, Brian.
The coating is yellow, like on my 1951 Jupiter 3.
Very probably, the first optical element was changed. So, it is a KMZ-Sonnar and not a Sonnar-KMZ!
I should have pictures from it in a while and will post one or two.

Amitiés. Jacques.

12/07/2012 17:24

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Newest find this week: A nearly complete Kiev 15 TEE set, only instruction booklet is missing. A Kiev 15 TEE with Helios 81 and Jupiter 9 (in box), lens caps, filters, lens hood, leather bag, eye piece and the rare Zenit-M39 adapter. It was made in 1978 and it works very well. It has an interesting shutter mechanism.



Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

01/18/2013 08:00

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I have just received a Fed 1 more...Smile
In fact, rather a Fed reingraved Leica.
Not in very good condition, but it has lived and certainly took many pictures...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1812013_Fed 1d - Leica 002.jpg

More interesting: it came with a genuine Leica from 1939, by the serial number. And the body and the lens were regulated together: there is a shim between the shutter box and the body.

As I can see, the body should be a 1d, serial # between c. 100000-150000. So, body and lens could be contemporaneous. All a story to (re)write!

Amitiés. Jacques.

02/06/2013 16:08

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Originally posted by AlexanderK

Hi,
the name plate seems to be lost. I am not sure, that it is the no-name camera.
You have already the manifacturer name (LOMO) on the lens.

Regards, Alexander


Nothing is lost. Inserted a metal plate. Possible to write - LUNA
The background the camera written body sticker for distributors.

See link - http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?784016222

Model - PK1420

02/28/2013 10:41

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Good morning;

One of the local camera pushers surprised me. He had a Kiev-60 sitting in a cardboard box in an unusual location in his shop, but I did see it and recognized it. I began making inquiries. It took a while.

This particular Kiev-60 with the Volna-3C P-6 Mount lens had been sold used to a purchaser a couple of months ago. I have not any sort of idea on how they obtained it originally. Well, two months later, it began to have problems, and the purchaser brought it back to them. This is where I came in and saw it.

So, the mirror goes up and the shutter runs when the film advance lever is swinging back on its return stroke. The TTL Light Meter in the Pentaprism does not work, but it does have the adapter tube in it for holding the 357 batteries. The Waist Level Viewfinder is warped a little and does not come up very well to viewing position. These are the main things I have seen so far.

But it does have the accessory ISO flash shoe mount on the left front of the camera, and it came with the 20mm and 40mm P-6 Extension Tubes.

I probably paid too much for it in this condition, but it is still a lot less than some of the things I was required to pay for in the past for which I received absolutely nothing. I am happy to have a sample of the fully recognized and labeled Kiev-60 in stock. And it will be sent out for the needed repairs and CLA.

So, the Zavod Kyiv (Kiev Arsenal) Medium Format 120 Roll Film camera bodies are complete.

Now there is only the Mir-26 or the rare Mir-69 45mm f:3.5 Wide Angle lens to be found. Optically these lenses seem to be very similar; both of them have noticeable barrel distortion and usually show some chromatic aberration. Usually this is a problem of lens design, and not a quality control or manufacturing defect or lens sample-to-sample variation that can be corrected at a later time. Sorry. That is main reason why I had chosen not to get that particular lens, the 45mm f:3.5 wide angle lens, for my use. But now it looks like I may need to get one for a slightly different purpose.

Enjoy;

Ralph
Latte Land, Washington

03/04/2013 11:40

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Special congrats for your ZK!
Yes, collapsible ones are rare. More: this one is one of the last (by my datas) before Jupiter 8 (with ears).

Of course, it is much easier to fake a rigid ZK than a collapsible one: Jup parts are much more common than Sonnar ones... But certainly it doesn't explain completely the rarity of the collapsible ZK.

I would be interested to have the Zeiss serial number of your Jup 3 for my datas.

Amitiés. Jacques.

03/04/2013 13:36

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Thanks! For some reason, the same collector sold a 1950 Kiev II + rigid ZK for twice the price of mine, the eBay auction went much higher; but it has box and papers. Seems like the III is less valued. Strange, as I thought it was produced in smaller numbers.

My J-3 (PT2020 in sovietcams page) has the soviet s/n 5001482 and the Zeiss s/n 862023 (stands for 2862023) on the rear. Thiele's book says it was produced at the end of 1945, no camera mount is listed so it was probably made without mount at the Zeiss factory to be shipped in the USSR later.

What are the s/n number range for collapsible ZK?

03/04/2013 15:03

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Impossible to answer your question precisely.

It seems there is no real correlation between Zeiss s/n ranges and ZK ones... Exactly as if KMZ had picked "by chance" a Zeiss lens in a board to convert it into a ZK. Or to let it live as a Zeiss, with changing the flange (M rather than m). And at the same time, or almost, producing their own optical parts and bodies...

I have for example a Jupiter 12/Biogon with has a 1952 KMZ serial number and a 1943 optical Zeiss one (18/03/43 by Thiele. And a 1951 Jupiter 12 which is a Jupiter 12, and nothing else...

All I say is for wartime LTM lenses. We must keep in mind that pure original LTM lenses are probably rare. Fakes are certainly less numerous that one think. Most of LTM lenses we see on eBay are probably "reconstructed". When? Impossible to know. As for the Contax/Kiev mount, things are probably much more simple, except for those "rigid" 2/5cm ZK-s: original or fake?

If you are interested, I can send you my datas about Kiev cameras and their lens from 1947 to 1950. I had some more precise datas about lenses, but they were lost by my computer.

Amitiés. Jacques.

03/04/2013 15:27

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Well, thanks, it would be nice to have some data about soviet lenses. My email should be in my profile.

For wartime LTM lenses : I have three of them. One is a wartime Biogon (true Zeiss lens), one is a wartime Sonnar 1.5 in a very strange barrel (not at all like a J3 or other Zeiss lenses), one is a wartime Sonnar 8.5cm in an aluminium barrel like the earliest J-9, but with strange unfinished markings.

I can post pictures here if you are interested.

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Exactly as if KMZ had picked "by chance" a Zeiss lens in a board to convert it into a ZK. Or to let it live as a Zeiss, with changing the flange (M rather than m). And at the same time, or almost, producing their own optical parts and bodies.


They had perhaps parallel lines running, some with German parts, some with Soviet parts, and technicians learning and going from one to another?

03/05/2013 04:06

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Originally posted by S.H.

They had perhaps parallel lines running, some with German parts, some with Soviet parts, and technicians learning and going from one to another?


History is known, at least partly, thanks to Kuc, Otto, the Zeiss Society and some others.
But when I have a LTM wartime Sonnar in hands, generally I cannot say precisely where and by whom it was made! Nor when it was converted!

I will put my data about Kiev/ZK serial numbers in the wiki.

Jacques.

03/08/2013 12:24

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a wartime 1,5 with a strange barrel... that sounds interesting ? send a picture

There is a small number of lenses with very bizarre (not zeiss, not russian) engravings... and diamond shaped instead of lines drilleds rings.

as for late or early zeiss or zk lens, I own one of the latest pre ZK lens, a collapsible 5cm/f2 T n° 2936226

Stephan
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