just arrived in my collection

Juhani,

yes it's an extreme camera that nobody really knows about. I was a bit surprised how many people here have on (or more...). But thinking about it we are only a handfull of guys here who collect them and so we have seen only about 2 or 3 percent of them at all. As we know about 1000 were made and I think that a lot (most of them) are existing until today (because it's a camera made for special purposes).

Btw. I have never heard of a fake of it or seen one (neither in real nor in pictures). I have only read that they may exist :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Thanks, Fred, for the article.
About fakes, I saw one some years ago at Biиvres. Easy to recognize because of the window of the viewfinder. Too, it was much lighter than a real TSVVS: the shell was made of aluminium and not brass. Probably a Fed...
The TSVVS really is a difficult camera to fake...

Amitiйs. Jacques.

Always about TSVVS fakes, there is one in the JLP, 2nd edition, p. 100. On the picture, it has a Fed viewfinder window. The other one on the same picture seems genuine.

Now, my 1950 TSVVS, just arrived. I already had the 1949 one (background).


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/572012_TSVVS 003.jpg

Amitiйs. Jacques.

Congratulation, Jacques!
Very nice cameras. They seem not being in use, just from the photo-shop shelf .
Which serial number do they have? My cameras are 292 (1949) und 714 (1950)

Regards, Alexander

Jacques, congratulation from me too!

Interesting that both of your TSVVS have the "Carl Zeiss Jena" lens cap. Mine has it too.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Thanks, Ulrich and Alexander.
Serial numbers: 264 (1949) and 503 (1950). Both are in very good condition. But all the TSVVS I know are in the same excellent condition: hardly used.
I am going to open a special thread about these cameras: some details like the lens caps are interesting.

Amitiйs. Jacques.

Some new cameras arrived last week

Sport has very low serial number
Leningrad is a 2 screw model on front panel

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Leningrad_LD_06.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Leningrad_LD_05.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Leningrad_LD_04.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Sport_LD_05.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Sport_LD_06.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Sport_LD_08.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_F21_LD_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_F21_LD_02.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_F21_LD_03.jpg

Hello Fred,
very nice cameras, but I think, that the number on the lens of your Sport camera does not match with the camera.
Cameras with such low number have usually three screws, and your camera has only one. Very strange...

Regards, Alexander

Hello Alexander

Yes I agree, it is strange..
Same for the front panel..seems to be a later one...
Maybe it is a camera that has been rebuilt from parts?
Lens itself seems to be original (not fake)..

Fred

A Sport is always a desirable camera for a collector, even if it was partially rebuilt.
And really, I think a Sport is impossible to fake.
So, congratulations, Fred!

I think I will have mine too. A day... when I will be tired of extra-USSR cameras!

Amitiйs. Jacques.

My only find in some weeks...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/582012_malutka.jpg

Hello all!!!

Just arrived today, in good shape and all functions ok.

It is the first time I see an export version.

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/492012_Narciss_03.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/492012_Narciss_04.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/492012_Narciss_05.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/492012_Narciss_07.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/492012_Narciss_08.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/492012_Narciss_10.jpg


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Very nice buy Fred, these are pretty uncommon, especially with original box!

By the way I love opening this thread every time because the very first post if made by Alain Berry, it's just a great feeling seeing his name every time.. I really miss his posts on this forum and this seems like it's keeping his legacy alive. Sorry for sentimental off-topic..

Vlad

Hi Vlad,
Thanks for quoting Alain's legacy.
Here, in France, some USSR camera collectors have the same feeling as yours…
And, no, it's not "off topic".
Many thanks again.
Michel.

Alain's memory is one of the reasons why I often post in this topic. Three years ago, now...

Edit: two years. Sorry.

Jacques.

A new and curious lens here.
In fact, a screw mount Jupiter 3 for the outside, and a the barrel of a Sonnar inside, each with its serial number: 741087 for KMZ and (2)860843 (so probably made in 1946) for Zeiss.
I have found it on eBay, you probably had seen it. I could not resist...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1792012_jup-sonnar 001.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1792012_jup-sonnar 003.jpg

The plausible explanation: the barrel and its lenses had been sent to Kiev as war spoil. For some reason, it was only re-discovered some years after and dressed with KMZ clothes.
Unless you have other ideas?

Amitiйs. Jacques.

My recent catch, a Fed Berdsk. A question: do you always see a hole for slow speed mechanism on the top plate of a Berdsk? Are those Berdsk unfinished Fed-Bs? I have two Berdsks and a Fed-C that all have this punched hole on the top plate.

Cheers,

Zhang


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2892012_P9181029.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2892012_P9100989.JPG

Hi Zhang!

I dismounted some of my S-s and one 1e.
They all had that hole.
I am going to look at an early 1c to be sure.

Amitiйs. Jacques.

On the curious KMZ/Zeiss J-3, looks a lot like mine.


J-3, Zeiss SN by anachronist1, on Flickr

The Serial Number puts it at April 1945. The front ring puts it at a 1950 KMZ.

I picked up a 1950 KMZ Jupiter-3 in Contax/Kiev mount, looked unused. The focal length was much too short for a Contax and a Leica, I lenghtened it and put into a Leica focus mount. The glass on mine was perfect, probably because it was unused. Sewing thread was wrapped around the threads to keep it into the Contax/Kiev mount, no shims. I think it was assembly practice, and was never used.


1950 KMZ J-3 by anachronist1, on Flickr

Wide-Open on the M9:


Burke Lake by anachronist1, on Flickr
It
Jacgues- If the front element on yours has a yellow cast, I would guess that it has been replaced- hence the 1974 namering. The front elements on the newer lenses work quite well on the older KMZ and Zeiss lenses. The black Screwmount focus mount: yours could have been in Contax/Kiev like mine was originally.

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Originally posted by Jacques M.

Hi Zhang!

I dismounted some of my S-s and one 1e.
They all had that hole.
I am going to look at an early 1c to be sure.

Amitiйs. Jacques.

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Hi Jacques,

Thanks for your reply! I have also checked an earlier Fed-1 s/n 8xxxxx that has no such holes. I will check a few more when I got time.

Cheers,

Zhang