just arrived in my collection

Jacques,

I have cleaned it now (even if there was only a bit dirt on it) and now it looks really as "out of the factory". I've never had such a shiny Kiev before! Seems that the NoName Kievs have better chrome finish.

Edit: Here's a picture after cleaning it.



Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Hi Ulrich

I have one too!!
Tha same as you got
No Name as new with serial n° 6307326....
And Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar T 2/5cm n°3059424

As yours, no engraving from UUSR occupied Germany... Nothing

I will make pics this week end and post them....

Fred

As I promissed yesterday, here are some pics of my No Name Kiev
I bought it a few years ago in Drouot in Paris, in an auction sale.
I remember the price was higher than a Contax II (But the Contax were very cheap in this sale)


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev No_Name_03.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev No_Name_04.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev No_Name_06.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev No_Name_07.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev No_Name_11.jpg

Fred

This one is arrived a few weeks ago

I am not sure the lens is the original one but specilalists here will probably tell me more about this combination lens and body?

Thank's a lot!

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev II_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev II_02.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev II_03.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev II_05.jpg

Fred,

both cameras are really nice. I think the lens of the 1950 Kiev is the right one, but on the No Name Kiev is a lens of the late 40ies made by Carl Zeiss in Jena. As I know they were delivered with Zeiss Sonnars from Stuttgart/Oberkochen. But it's a nice lens it's one of the sort that was delivered with the Jena Contax or the TSVVS (regarding to the number).

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Hello Fred (and Ulrich!),

A vey fine 1950 Kiev II, with a matching ZK lens, as it seems.
It's difficult to say if it is the right good one: my datas (thanks for them!) show that we can have very close bodies with lenses the numbers of which are (a bit) more large.

As far as I know, it's not exactly the same for the "no names". It seems that the 1963 bodies were assembled with different lenses: prewar CZJ which were always in stock, early postwar CZJ or even Opton which had not been used. Difficult to say more, as there are not many cameras of which we can discuss. The 1964 are easier: all seem to have the 1964 Jupiter...

Amitiйs. Jacques.

Another nice find, a preseries FED 2a with low serial number (001231) in very nice looking condition.





Unfortunately the shutter was broken and so I disassembled it to repair it. It's really interesting these early preseries FED 2a are different inside. So there is a light baffle inside that hides the shutter drums and the two curtain rollers are hold by a plate on top which makes it easy to install the shutter. Very nice made.

And I have found out why it looks so new... It seems that it gets broken very early and unfortunately one small piece is broken that could not be repaired (only if you have another camera with such a low serial I think): The stop pin in the shutter under the big gear on the bottom was broken. You need a lot of force to break it, so I think that it was broken installed by factory and breaks short after using the camera. So it's a nice item for the shelf only.

Here are pictures of the light baffle inside the body and the plate on top of the shutter housing that holds the two rollers.






I forgot... Interesting is a comparison of the viewfinder window. The size of the early one is a bit bigger than on later ones. Here compared to a normal FED 2a. On top the 001231, on bottom one with serial 23xxx:




Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Hi Ulrich!

Thanks for the photos!
What you say about the size of the viewfinder window is interesting. Is the # 23xxx a preseries too, or a crossover model with preseries release button and round window?
All that would deserve a special study...

Amitiйs. Jacques.

Jacques,

yes, I also wondered about the size of the viewfinder window. The one I got from you (003729) has the normal sized window.

The 023015 is a normal FED 2a with the round range finder window and the round collar around the release button. I think it could be one of the first ones, I also own a preseries crossover model with round range finder window and preseries release button that has number 022304.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Thanks for these precisions, Ulrich.
Perhaps there are other interesting parameters to examine closely on early Fed 2.
I remember for example having weighed the very early Alain's Fed 2 (number 000007, but I am not sure about the number of 0 !). And it was heavier than the "regular" preseries, much than expected, anyway (# c.10% if I remember).

Jacques.

Nice find Ulrich!

Mine came two weeks ago. N-011833 :)

Btw. frame around viewfinder window: my Fed-2a (N-012923) has thin frame.

SzS.

Jacques,

more to the FED 2a 23015: It lies here since 2 or 3 years with a broken shutter in a box and I just took it out to see if I can repair the broken shutter of the 001231 with some parts of it. But they differed too much.

Now after looking on Aidas site I've seen that this 23015 seems to be an early "Type A2". As he knows they start at 27.000 so mine seems to be a nice find out off a box with broken cameras :-)

Now I have installed new shutter curtains on it and it works quite as a Leica.






Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Fine, Ulrich!
And what about the weights of the different elements of each camera?
Are there differences? It would be possible on prototype/preseries cameras...

Amitiйs.

Jacques,

I don't have such a fine scale to weight the parts, sorry.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Hello All!!!!

This Narciss in in working order...
It has some spots on the cream color....


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Narciss_04.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Narciss_05.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Narciss_06.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Narciss_07.JPG

My first one

I bought it yesterday in an auction
There were a lot of cameras and a full light meter collection to sell... About 450 light meters!!!
I had to bid on a box with a lot of 12 light meters to get this one.

Good surprise, it is in working order and seems to be accurate....

I have one question: The front with the selenium element is not as I have seen before.... Is it normal? Or may be a part is missing, but it seems not.....Help!!!

Thank you very much



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_01.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_02.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_03.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_04.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_05.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_06.JPG

Fred,

great finds! Specially the light meter in working condition. I can not say anything to the selenium cell because I have never had such a light meter. Maybe it was repaired sometimes ago?

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Congratulations for this lightmeter in working condition, Fred!
Perhaps, it's not in original condition. It's the first time I see a Fed lightmeter with this parallelepipedic inclusion: maybe for repair?

Mine is like Bill's one in the wiki:
http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=42&ParentID=3&ContentID=93&Item=FED+Exposure+Meter

Amitiйs. Jacques.

Great find, Fred.
I have two of them: 61xx and 3-6xx, the both are without any inclusions.
I agree with Jacques, it seems to be not in original conditions, but it is anyway a very rare lightmeter. Congratulation!

Regards, Alexander

Thank you all

I am a little bit disapointed because it seems to be really part of the meter...Not added part....