Ukrainian legislation and collecting cameras

09/16/2013 03:21

Hi Vlad,

An official proof would be the best.
Another idea: an international petition. We all have contacts that we could alert...

Jacques.

09/16/2013 14:54

Many thanks for All!
I'll inform about news.
Best regards
Alex

09/20/2013 16:17

Ok, that's #1: http://petapixel.com/2013/09/20/ukrainian-camera-collector-faces-7-years-jail-owning-soviet-spy-cameras/

09/27/2013 14:54

The F 21 is not a spy camera but a surveillance camera. You can buy it in Russia at molotok.ru.
Detlev

09/27/2013 15:00

quote:
Originally posted by AlexanderK

Dear Alexander,
it is very pity to read it, but I think you never can be sure, if you have something to do with soviet (or post soviet) secret services.
These Ajaks cameras are rather wide spreaded in Europa and you can find them on almost any camera fairs, BUT they are not German secret camera, so there are no such laws here to prohibit selling or spreading them.
BUT I have never seen German secret cameras on the German market.

Regards, Alexander

There are some MfS (Ministry for State Security of the DDR, East Germany) cameras, West Germany used commercially available cameras.
If you are interested, I will send pictures
Regards Detlev

09/27/2013 15:48

Here you can find an article about F-21: http://www.photohistory.ru/1207248179545751.html
Bet regards, Detlev

09/27/2013 16:23

quote:
Originally posted by Detlev

The F 21 is not a spy camera but a surveillance camera. You can buy it in Russia at molotok.ru.
Detlev

Detlev,
the F-21 was not a surveillance, but a really spy camera till 1991 and you could hardly buy it anywhere until the beginning of 90th. It was used with different covers and accessories by secret services in the USSR and East Europa.
By the way, you can see this camera in the Stasi Museum in Berlin:
http://www.stasimuseum.de/en/enausstellung.htm

Regards, Alexander

09/27/2013 16:32

By the way,
you can buy this camera in the Photocenter of the Russian Union of Journalists:
http://www.fotofishka.ru/index.php?productID=3062
http://www.fotofishka.ru/index.php?productID=3061

Regards, Alexander

09/28/2013 02:06

quote:
Originally posted by AlexanderK

quote:
Originally posted by Detlev

The F 21 is not a spy camera but a surveillance camera. You can buy it in Russia at molotok.ru.
Detlev

Detlev,
the F-21 was not a surveillance, but a really spy camera till 1991 and you could hardly buy it anywhere until the beginning of 90th. It was used with different covers and accessories by secret services in the USSR and East Europa.
By the way, you can see this camera in the Stasi Museum in Berlin:
http://www.stasimuseum.de/en/enausstellung.htm

Regards, Alexander

Alexander,
Secret Services used the F-21 for surveillance, there is no spy known who has used a F-21 (see Keith Melton: The Ultimate Spy. In German: Der Perfekte Spion).
The F-21 shown in the Stasi Museum was produced in 1993, the fall of the wall was 1989 but the Red Army (and KGB)stayed in Germany till 1994.
Regards,
Detlev

09/28/2013 18:08

Is this the camera in question?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AJAX-F-21-VINTAGE-RUSSIAN-KGB-GRU-OFFICERS-SPY-FILM-21MM-MINI-CAMERA-EXCELLENT-/310725856088?pt=Film_Cameras&hash=item4858b44b58

You can buy them on Ebay. It looks similar to the Robot cameras, going back to the 1940s.

It is very scary that any country could even consider this antique as a criminal threat.

09/28/2013 19:43

Yes, it is such a camera. But there are cameras which numbers have been scratched. Maybe they are stolen. Regards Detlev

03/03/2014 02:14

I believe that Alex's latest court appearance was scheduled for February 18th. I have not heard from him since then and I was wondering whether anyone else had heard how the case went. If it is only a matter of possession of an F-21 camera, it seems to be taking an inordinately long to time to come to a sensible conclusion.
I would also like to wish all our Ukrainian friends well at this difficult time in their country.

David.

03/04/2014 19:50

He skipped that court date.

03/05/2014 09:40

I can't see a guy from Donetsk traveling to Uzhgorod these days.
I hope this case will simply disappear.

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad

He skipped that court date.

03/05/2014 12:19

I think the actual Ukrainian government has other problems to solve. Indeed, let us hope the case will dissappear. And a personal message to Poetin: Hands off Ukraine !

Robert
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