just arrived in my collection

There could be a simpler explanation - I once bought a START camera which had been sat in a shop window in direct sunlight for a long time - the black paint in the lens front had been bleached to a grey/brownish colour - maybe the same issue here?

Cheers,

Steve

A lot of new things in this thread. The early FED 1 is amazing, I wish, I could find such an old one :-)

Here are my latest finds:

An universal finder with cyrillic engravings, I have never seen one before:




A white faced rigid Industar 22 in very good condition. I think they are more rare than the black faced ones.




And at least a nice find for a bargain, a Zenit Junior with original leather case :-)



Ulrich


http://fotos.cconin.de

Hello everyone!

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/18122014__MG_2899 -copy.JPG

Ulrich: I wonder how you can have such beautiful photos! I am jealous...
I own one of these "white" rigid lenses: no doubt they are rarer than the "black" ones.

Alexey: once more time, you are a conjurer! These completely black rigid I 22 come from your hat? They were made specially for you?

Amitiйs. Jacques.

Hello Ulrich

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Originally posted by uwittehh


A white faced rigid Industar 22 in very good condition. I think they are more rare than the black faced ones.

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Yes, they are. I only found them in s/n ranges 5000xxx and 5002xxx only up today. Princelle says there are only 2000 IIRC, maybe even less at my observation.

The black faced ones are made in the 5000xxx series too, but goes from 1950 to 1953.

Best wishes - Guido

Hello Jacques

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Originally posted by Jacques M.


Alexey: once more time, you are a conjurer! These completely black rigid I 22 come from your hat? They were made specially for you?

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Just for my understanding: It's an ironic comment? First point: The design is not the same as the other rigid I-22 I know, second one: Black lenses are made much later by KMZ as far as I know.

Best wishes - Guido

No Guido! And Alexey, of course!
It is not ironic!
I am just amazed to see all the marvels that Alexey can show. For example, these two black rigid Industar 22. Really, I did not think they could exist.
But are they really original?

Amitiйs. Jacques.

Hello Jacques

Oh, sorry for asking! How could I even be so doubtful?!

Best wishes - Guido

Hello everyone!
Jacques you flatter me!
Of course this is a very early version of the original rigid Industar-22.
Look at the link.

http://www.fotoua.com/2cameratip.php?seek2=104&seek1=84&usl=&usl1=&rd=4&st=7


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/19122014_untitled.png

All good mood

A very early version with a different design, as Guido says.
Thanks, Alexey.
Are there other very early KMZ products which can have been made in black by the factory? Zorki 1, 3...?

Amitiйs. Jacques.

Never mind the lens, what about camera! What is the history of the nameplate? Is it original? Prototype? Special order?

This is Original!
http://www.fotoua.com/2cameratip.php?seek2=104&seek1=84&usl=&usl1=&rd=4&st=7

Jacques hello!
Perhaps you mean the later editions of the I-22?

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/19122014__MG_3356.JPG

Hi Alexey,

There is a difference in the back trapezoпdal part (with the meter scale) between the black rigid early I22 and the "white" ones. This back part is more important, higher on the white lenses. I just wonder why.
Jacques.

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Are there other very early KMZ products which can have been made in black by the factory? Zorki 1, 3...?

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You really have to wonder about these totally black I-22, for which camera they were produced. I assume the first two digits mark the year, so 1950. Could it be KMZ produced this totally black I-22 for another brand than Zorki?

What kind of black is this coating? Is it chrom too? And which coating would be cheaper to produce?

Hello everyone!
Jacques! You have a fantastic sight! You're on photographs found differences, and I held in my hands lenses and did not pay attention to it!
What can I say turner? He did not create one my order ?! Let remake?
Black I-22 stood at Zorki/Зоркий №36ххх. I have met stiff and I-22 at the cameras with a double name Zorki/Зоркий. I think that is the development of lenses for export.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/20122014__MG_3359.JPG

I forgot to thank Ulrich! Ulrich, I also really like your pictures! Very professional! What lens do you use?

Wow, what rarities. I have never seen total black rigid Industar 22 too. And no Zorki 6 prototype. Wonderful finds.

So Princelle seems not to be right when he writes that white faced and black faced ones are both made in the quantity of 2000 each.

But what about the finder? I have never seen one with cyrillic engravings before. I only know them without or with MADE IN USSR engravings. And I have/had a lot of them :-)

Jacques and levonsa, you mean the pictures here? I have used a Pentax K-5II and a Pentax 16-50/2,8 lens and developed them with lightroom. But what is so special with the pictures? :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Bought a 1950 KMZ J-3, advertised as way off and fit for use on a mirrorless camera. It was off my 2m at 5m, and the optical fixture was glued into place. 6 hours in acetone. Popped all the glass out of it.

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The serial number on the rear fixture shows it to be from a 1943 Zeiss lens. The Tap shows that it was originally finished in Contax mount.





The focus mount is from a ZOMZ J-3, has three setscrews for holding the helical into the mount.



There were a total of Five (!) taps for the guide pins. I'm glass I scribed the correct set before taking out the guide pins.

This was a long-job, 6 hours in acetone and a lot of cleaning loosened paint and glue out of the helical.



Added a 0.48mm Shim and moved the rear module in slightly.

It was worth it, one of the sharpest J-3/Sonnars that I have ever used.

Really, I admire what you are able to do with Sonnars, Brian...
When you talk of "tap" ( The Tap shows that it was originally finished in Contax mount.), what do you mean exactly?

Jacques.