just arrived in my collection

And one more, #041955 so PK2325 in Aidas catalogue.
"Silver/Gray hammer-painted" #041966:







The "unpainted speckled blue/black" #018339 with a bit of outside cleaning done:

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And one more, #041955 so PK2330 in Aidas catalogue

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Hi Juhani,
I think it must be PK2325 because it is painted. Interesting that the surface on the frontside has a different texture than on the backside. Sad that there was no hood. I really like this solution with a protectable hood. Too bad on other Smenas they didn't care to keep the screw on the shutter to attach a hood. They could have sold millions of hoods later.

Good day Juhani,
interesting to know about your #041966 would be the color under the paint, if the plastic is monochrome or speckled. There are some places where the paint is already lost. Interesting because the #014313 (ex-Alex) is monochrome too, but all monochromes should be younger with a higher serial number to make sense in the timeline. Could be the monochrome #014313 lost all the paint already, then the lower serial number would make sense in the timeline. Maybe your #041966 is monochrome under the paint too.
I like your speckled #018339 much more, it's my favorite version of Smena-5 (PK2330), hope to find one too.

This one should arrive in some days:


An early Zorki 1b (s/n 11072), with the speed dial of the Fed-Zorki and 1a. And the correct lens.

Amitiйs. Jacques.

Jacques!
My congratulations! Excellent Zorki!
My two early cameras Zorki №8xxx and №9xxx already have a standard late head extracts.

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Originally posted by cedricfan

And one more, #041955 so PK2330 in Aidas catalogue

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Hi Juhani,
I think it must be PK2325 because it is painted. Interesting that the surface on the frontside has a different texture than on the backside.

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Changed the pictures to better ones, and took a loser study of the camera.
The texture of black parts: actually I didn't even notice it before. And also the "unpainted granular" example has a bit different textured front and back. Were these made ultimate cheap, most likely?

And yes, I have a bit problematic with speckled, painted, granular etc. Silver-Grey hammer painted is PK2325. And yes, Blue-Black ones may have been painted when they left the fctory.

Best regards,
Juhani

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Good day Juhani,
interesting to know about your #041966 would be the color under the paint, if the plastic is monochrome or speckled. There are some places where the paint is already lost. Interesting because the #014313 (ex-Alex) is monochrome too, but all monochromes should be younger with a higher serial number to make sense in the timeline. Could be the monochrome #014313 lost all the paint already, then the lower serial number would make sense in the timeline. Maybe your #041966 is monochrome under the paint too.
I like your speckled #018339 much more, it's my favorite version of Smena-5 (PK2330), hope to find one too.

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It is blue/black-speckled under the paint.
Why? Was it looking too ugly and didn't sell, not even in USSR?
Did someone invent, that the similarly painted "Krystall" sold better?


Best regards,
Juhani

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It is blue/black-speckled under the paint.
Why? Was it looking too ugly

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Thank you so much for the photos Juhani.
Unbelievable, they thought the speckled ones are ugly. But good that they didn't use sandpaper on the speckled surface to make the paint stick better. So this #041966 is like wine, it will get better with the years.

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An early Zorki 1b (s/n 11072), with the speed dial of the Fed-Zorki and 1a. And the correct lens.

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It also still has the wind-knob with the finer surface which I like much more. Nearly all the vulcanite is complete and it's not painted or covered with shoe-polish.

Thanks, Alexey.
So, your two cameras seem late 1a zorki rather than early 1b, by the serial numbers!
It's not easy to find these cameras, now...

To Lenny: sure, I will check the tip of the rangefinder and these famous bolts as soon as I have it!

Amitiйs. Jacques.

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Thanks, Alexey.
So, your two cameras seem late 1a zorki rather than early 1b, by the serial numbers!

To Lenny: sure, I will check the tip of the rangefinder and these famous bolts as soon as I have it!

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Hi Jacques,
yes these tension-setting-screws should also be a classificator to determine if it's a Zorki-1a or Zorki-1b, but most of the times they can't be seen on photos. I'm sure you will find 4-sided-nuts on your #11072.
I don't know which kind of nuts Alexey's Zorkis have, but his #09xxx with the new Zorki shutter-knob should have 4-sided-nuts also, it's an early Zorki-1b.
Then there is the PM1035 #09314 with the old Fed shutter-knob but it has 4-sided-nuts.
Alexey's #08xxx with the old Fed shutter-knob would be interesting to see without the baseplate.

Gomz Sport #1329 has moved to Portugal :)
I am looking for the user manual if someone is selling.

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Gomz Sport #1329 has moved to Portugal :)

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Congrats Miguel,
your Sport looks like it wasn't used much. Does it work?
The yellow Logo is so cute, wish I had that in yellow on my Smena too.
Does it also have a serial number on the shutter cage like on PK0655? I guess the PK0655 is #9060 and not #0906, depending on from which side it is read. But PK0655 has only 2 screws on the top, same like your Sport, so it should be a later version.

Thank you Lenny!
The GOMZ logo is almost holographic! I don't have any other camera with such an eye-catching logo. It is specially amazing considering the period and the origin.

The camera is cosmetically OK and seems to work fine: tested the speeds and they seem coherent. Mirror and internal optics are clean and the lens is also clean and sharp. Of course so far tested without film, need to find a practical way to make a cartridge fit in there (anybody did this?). The center of the spool is too wide for a modern canister (if all else fails, will use the original canister, but then need a dark rook, which at present I don't have).
The only issue with it is that the D-ring latch on the base is broken, but that does not affect shooting.

Serials: nothing on the body interior or exterior, only the lens.
According to the types at ussrcameras.ru the camera looks like a type 6 and the lens a type 2. It looks like PK0650 at sovietcams.com, but the leather case is different.

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Gomz Sport #1329 has moved to Portugal :)

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Congrats Miguel,
your Sport looks like it wasn't used much. Does it work?
The yellow Logo is so cute, wish I had that in yellow on my Smena too.
Does it also have a serial number on the shutter cage like on PK0655? I guess the PK0655 is #9060 and not #0906, depending on from which side it is read. But PK0655 has only 2 screws on the top, same like your Sport, so it should be a later version.

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Hola Miguel,
I see, you have the older leather-case. Maybe someone wanted to have the newer case and newer lens at that time. It's just opposite to what collectors are searching now. At that time people always would want to have the newest stuff.
If you really want to shoot, I think you need to work with the original film-container, because there is no rewind-system. Turn off the lights and do it under a big blanket and don't forget to take your watch off.

Thank you for the advice. I like to shoot all the cameras that I have :)
I may first try to cut a little the inner part of a commercial 35mm cartridge, to fit the axis.
The 'no rewind' issue is not very serious, because I can take the metal cartridge to the photo lab.

Body lens matching: nr 2896 seems to have the same configuration, see
http://interesnoevse.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/perviy-zerkalniy-fotoapparat-sport-v-sssr.jpg

Back to the no rewind: the engineers seem to have had lots of issues deciding how to handle the film, have a look at this 1936 article from "Soviet photo"
http://www.photohistory.ru/Sport-camera.html
They didn't expect standard cartridges to be the future and didn't use an existing format. When Kodak launched 35mm cartridges for the Retina 117 they made sure that they had backwards compatibility with Leica and Contax. Gomz engineers missed this point.

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Body lens matching: nr 2896 seems to have the same configuration

When Kodak launched 35mm cartridges for the Retina 117 they made sure that they had backwards compatibility with Leica and Contax. Gomz engineers missed this point.

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Hola Miguel,
I see you are really into these Sports. Your #1329 looks so much better than #2896. I saw another Sport on ebay from Leicashop #2454 and it looks also not so good as yours.
I doubt that Kodak would have tried to be compatible with GOMZ at that time.

Still the Gomz Sport... please be patient with me:

Found the most interesting variant for sale at molotok.ru,
it has a rewind knob!!!!





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What especially fascinates me in these Sports is how many are still left, and even in working condition. Mine was reasonably priced also.





Best regards,
Juhani

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Found the most interesting variant for sale at molotok.ru,
it has a rewind knob!!!!

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A rewind knob to use a normal film-cartridge? Maybe a modification not from the GOMZ factory. Then the drum with the teeth which sets the frames on the film must be unlocked. Is it needed to shoot the rest of the film frame for frame on normal Sports if you want to change the film?