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Michel
France
217 Posts
Posted - Sep 22 2009 :  12:30:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Vlad,

When you shall have time to loose, could you tell me what this donative text says??

Thanks again and again !

Michel.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2292009_Camera-Kiev.jpg


Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4197 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Sep 22 2009 :  1:06:31 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello Michel,

it says L.K. Klimenko in the day of 20th anniversary of Victory (WWII) from ITR Trest Proletarskugol(some kind of coal mining organization?? )

Cheers,
Vlad
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Kirill Yegoshin
SnuSmu
Russia
18 Posts
Posted - Sep 23 2009 :  03:39:13 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"" stands for engineering-technical staff
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Michel
France
217 Posts
Posted - Sep 23 2009 :  04:58:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Vlad and SnuSmu,

Thanks a lot for your translation.

Sincerly,
Michel.
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Zoom
596 Posts
Posted - Sep 25 2009 :  10:21:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vlad

Trest Proletarskugol(some kind of coal mining organization?? )


Proletarskugol' trust in Donetsk, Ukraine (after 1975 it stay a part of the Donetskugol' coal-mining complex).
Btw., Donetsk was founded in 1869 by a Welsh businessman, John Hughes... ;)
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Michel
France
217 Posts
Posted - Sep 26 2009 :  03:54:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks, Zoom.
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Zoom
596 Posts
Posted - Sep 28 2009 :  09:22:46 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vlad

...in the day of 20th anniversary of Victory (WWII)...


Strictly speaking, the 20th anniversary of Victory, but not in the Second World War. In the Great Patriotic War (1941--1945).
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts
Posted - Sep 29 2009 :  03:52:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi zoom,
please ...what's the difference ?.
Alain
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Michel
France
217 Posts
Posted - Sep 29 2009 :  04:02:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I should say between "Barbarossa" in june 1941 and the end of WWII ?

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Zoom
596 Posts
Posted - Sep 29 2009 :  10:35:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mermoz37

Hi zoom,
please ...what's the difference ?.
Alain


WWII was a world war. It started in September 1, 1939* and ended in September 2, 1945**.
*) -- Some historians date its beginning 1938 or even 1937 (see the "Lugouqiao Incident").
**) -- Btw., since Japan has not signed with Russia the peace treaty, that, the WWII as though still proceeds till now?.. ;)

The Great Patriotic War ( http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%9E%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B0 ) was a war between USSR and the incorporated forces of continental Europe, led by Nazi Germany. It was a part of WWII. It started in June 22, 1941 and ended May 9, 1945.

Edited by - Zoom on Sep 29 2009 10:40:58 AM
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Michel
France
217 Posts
Posted - Sep 29 2009 :  12:05:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"It was a part of WWII. It started in June 22, 1941 and ended May 9, 1945."

That's what I said
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Michel
France
217 Posts
Posted - Sep 29 2009 :  12:17:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For english speaking members, see here :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_%28World_War_II%29

and there :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Patriotic_War_%28term%29


Edited by - Michel on Sep 29 2009 12:19:22 PM
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Michel
France
217 Posts
Posted - Sep 29 2009 :  12:22:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
and for french people

( et pour les francophones :)

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_de_l%27Est_%28Seconde_Guerre_mondiale%29
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Zoom
596 Posts
Posted - Sep 29 2009 :  12:30:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Michel

"It was a part of WWII. It started in June 22, 1941 and ended May 9, 1945."
That's what I said


Nope... ;) You said: "I should say between "Barbarossa" in june 1941 and the end of WWII ?"...
The end of WWII was September 2, 1945...

Edited by - Zoom on Sep 29 2009 12:31:09 PM
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Michel
France
217 Posts
Posted - Sep 29 2009 :  1:32:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OK, Zoom.
I'm not a historian, as you are.
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Posted - Sep 30 2009 :  1:02:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Michel

I'm not a historian, as you are.


;) Am not a historian too, we learnt this at school....
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Michel
France
217 Posts
Posted - Sep 30 2009 :  1:34:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I spent only two months at school.
So
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Posted - Oct 01 2009 :  05:34:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Michel

I spent only two months at school.
So


So, you do not have an elementary education? Strange, after all you are able to read and write... 8)
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
986 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Oct 01 2009 :  09:33:33 AM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Getting OT but in the 70ies Finnish history teaching stopped somewhere in the early 1900. People who wrote history books forgot that we childrefn did not know that time, or the writers did not want to write about that period...
So even if I was in school for 12 years I know much less than many others!

Best regards,
Juhani
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Posted - Oct 01 2009 :  12:56:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cedricfan

Getting OT but in the 70ies Finnish history teaching stopped somewhere in the early 1900. ...

How much I have understood from a short studying of this problem, in Europe the world modern history is not studied. It is strange...
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
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Posted - Oct 01 2009 :  1:36:12 PM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Strange and very annoying for me who wants to know history!
And hopefully Russian history writing & telling does not get biased again like some have said might be happening. In history we must get all sides opinion to make one true story!

Best regards,
Juhani
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts
Posted - Oct 16 2009 :  03:40:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
please ,
which one (Vlad ?) had some free time to translate this text ?
in advance , thanks.
Alain


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/16102009_translation.jpg

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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4197 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Oct 16 2009 :  09:31:33 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
"To Captain of Second Rank Stepanov S.S. on 20th anniversary of DVF (_____ Military Fleet - (not sure what first letter "D" stands for maybe someone can help)) for achieved successes in battlefield and political training. From the assistant people's commissioner of VMF(Military Sea Fleet) of USSR."

Very cool!
Vlad.
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 :  11:53:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vlad

".. on 20th anniversary of DVF..."

-- Danubian Military Flotilla.
The same acronym had Dnieper Military Flotilla.
See this flotillas history there: http://ussrfleet.1939-45.ru/flotilii.php

P.S. But I don't understand how to correlate the "XX anniversary" (from what year? 1940? So: 1960?) and the "commissar"... " " (People's Commissoriat of VMF of USSR) was exist from 1937 to 1946 years...

Edited by - Zoom on Oct 16 2009 12:08:14 PM
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4197 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Oct 16 2009 :  12:28:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thank you!
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okynek
759 Posts
Posted - Oct 16 2009 :  3:27:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
<quote>But I don't understand how to correlate the "XX anniversary" (from what year? 1940? So: 1960?) and the "commissar"... </quote>

Probably because (DVF) stands for - Far-East Fleet or Pacific Ocean Fleet created way before WWII.
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts
Posted - Oct 17 2009 :  04:35:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OK, thanks very much to you !
I am so gratefull as I will put your text inside the camera on my shelves to explain it to my friends.
(I still possess same item about 1940 in Baltic sea , engraved on back side camera on a silver plate.)
Alain
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Posted - Oct 17 2009 :  5:36:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by okynek
Probably because (DVF) stands for - Far-East Fleet or Pacific Ocean Fleet created way before WWII.


Nope. The Pacific Ocean Fleet (TOF) had only one name (was created in 1932 as I remember).
It was the "Dal'nevostochnij front (DVF)", but not a fleet.

Edited by - Zoom on Oct 19 2009 12:17:40 PM
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