About TSVVS...

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Originally posted by Fred_L

The seller has noticed it is a TSVVS copy... Not an original...

Fred

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Yes and no... The short confusing text can be understood both ways. It says "copy camera" and not "camera copy" or "TSVVS copy" or "replica" which would be best? Any way, I will be watching.

Best regards,
Juhani

It's sold as a "copy", the seller consulted with me before listing it.

Really, I had not understand at first reading that the camera was declared as a copy.
Probably my English: sellers should beware of old foreign collectors and be more clear!

Anyway, it's a beautiful fake. The lensplate is particularly convincing.

Amitiйs. Jacques.
PS: lens of 1937.

I can pass on to seller to adjust description. The lens is Jupiter-8M on it. If my memory serves me right prototype for Jupiter-8 was developed by GOI in 1948 and the later Jupiter-8M modification in 1957. That makes the lens 10 years later than camera.

Cheers,
Vlad

About the lens, I see a 2/5cm Sonnar, non T and collapsible...
The serial number corresponds to the year 1937.

That time, it's not my English!

Amitiйs. Jacques.

Oh! It seems that have switched the lens out on it. I was shown this model with Jupiter 8m before the auction. It's a large collection so they may have found a lens to go with it.

hmm.. so I talked to the seller, it seems that the previous owner of the camera had switched the lens out and not the seller, because before it was tried to be auctioned off as a real TSVVS with Jupiter-8M. Looks like that lot was pulled from the auction because it wasn't a real one. And the collector whose camera the seller is selling must have bought it right after. The guys who are selling it just acquired a whole collection they are liquidating. Here's the previous auction: http://bid.igavelauctions.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=2967216

At least body cover or tube came from leica the curtain screws are not original and top cover have wider window
a "blended" fake!
Regards
LP

This is from the brochure Dr. Milos Mladek had kindly sent me at some point. I hope he doesn't mind me posting it here, but it's very relevant. This seems to be exact same maker of the fake TSVVS:

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Originally posted by cedricfan

So it may be non-genuine TSVVS, and possibly staying at a price level which could be affordable

Best regards,
Juhani

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1.400 US-$ = 1.000 Ђuros, for a replica

Best regards,
Juhani

Hi Juhani,

Yes, even for a well made fake...

All the rare cameras are expensive.
Now a fake TSVVS is much rarer than a geruine TSVVS,
Therefore a fake TSVVS is much more expensive than a genuine one.

We have a lot of chance: it's not the case!

Amitiйs. Jacques.

Interesting. Same camera, once just sold, for sale again, and by same seller:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FED-TSVVS-Russian-Leica-Rangefinder-USSR-Army-Air-Force-COPY-camera-PERFECT-/281425048494?ssPageName=ADME:SS:SS:US:1120

Best regards,
Juhani

Yes. And that time, the description is much more clear.

I spoke to seller. They guy who won that auction said "I don't have funds to pay for it." He had to relist it. Why would you even bid if you can't pay for it...

Cheers,
Vlad.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TSVVS-1950-Generals-FED-Rare-Russian-Soviet-Rangefinder-Camera-/272281812302

One known TSVVS was sold very quickly

Best regards,
Juhani

Yes, Juhani.
At that price, it's not so astonishing...

Hope another member has got it.

Jacques.