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Iskra-3 from Mirfoto Camera Book

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I wouldn't rely on JPEG compression artifacts much though, don't forget these were sent to Aidas as paper prints, then scanned, compressed to JPEG by Aidas, and then re-sized and re-compressed by this forum's image engine.. Even if these were printed from digital by Viktor there is no knowing when these compression artifacts appeared in this this 3rd generation JPEG...

Vlad
Yes, I agree that this photo also looks like it was photo-shopped or doctored. Please look at the sharpness of the "66" compared to the "ZENIT" lettering. The "66" is much sharper and the "ZENIT" is soft. That would be OK and due to depth of field except ... then look at the textured covering on the body. Below the "66" is soft and on the left side of the body the covering is sharp! Just the opposite of the lettering .. so can't be depth of field and my guess is that at least the "66" is added by doctoring.
And I agree with Luiz about the shapes of the knobs. Good eyes Luiz & Paul. I think if I was the one receiving photos from this source for publication in a book, I would check all of the photos of unknown cameras (hopefully before the book has been printed).


Regards, Bill

quote:
Originally posted by Luiz Paracampo

Vlad!
Observe again! The light effect disguises reality! Enlarge the picture! At first I thought there were a button in its center like Zenit E but the screws on the Iskra 3 lever go up to the two holes in the center!
The camera exists it is not a photo montage but it can be results of a Dream of a Summer Night!
Now two recent cameras from Zhang (our Chinese consultant) the Seagull 203 (rare) and similar Tahiu........



These have complete different levers.
I love these investigations!!!!!WinkWink
LP




Hello Luiz,

in case you need more pictures, please let me know. I assume I am the 'zhang', your Chinese consultant?Big smile
I published many chinese camera photos on other forums. I believe you have found some from there too.

Cheers,

Zhang
Today I have received an email from Viktor Suglob, with a statement in regards to this thread. Please read below. I will post my translated English copy followed by original in Russian.

Vlad




Hello Vlad,

Haven't corresponded for a long time, so now I have a free minute so decided to write you a few lines.

My friend Aidas with my permission had sent a few photos from the book. These photos of cameras were sent to me by my friends in Moscow. They were taken with a wide angle lens which created a lot of distortion on the cameras. We asked them to be re-shot but nothing came out of it and we had to process them on a computer to reduce the distortion. The owner of this collection flat refused to meet with us for us to retake the pictures ourselves. The problem was, from his words, that he had a very large collection and he wanted to sell it but he was scammed and cameras were stolen. That is why he does not want to meet with anyone. And agreed only on taking pictures via a middle-man. What we happened to receive, we tried to correct on a computer and put into a book.

Regarding Iskra-3, it was downright scary(distorted) since it was taken with a powerful wide-angle lens. Many [other] cameras after numerous pleading and requests were retaken with normal lens.

In regards again to Iskra-3: when we were in Krasnogorsk, the workers that worked the assembly line remembered this camera that it did exist. Other evidence confirming their statements after long searches we did not find.

We also talked there with designer Padalko, and he told us this story: by request of minister Ustinov (in Brezhnev's times) he created a Polaroid-type camera and today does not remember its name, even though he still works at the factory. According to him they made a lot of these cameras, these were experimental batches, which were not in any of the documentation at the factory and or were made as presents to people. I personally received a present camera Foton Super-1 (Zenit) Serial #1. It is actually shown on the cover of our book. These small batches did not get into any planning departments, since they were experimental or presentables.

By the way I have a camera Sport-1 which is not in any documents, but I have it and it does exist like many other cameras in my collection which did not make into any confirming documents of manufacturing factories and which are impossible to fake (I have dozens of these cameras). A question arises, what are these and who produced them, to "make them on your laps" is absolutely impossible ("making cameras on your laps" is favorite expression of JLP).

Basically, when the book will come out, the collectors of the world will rejoice from our materials, into which we had invested 15 years of hard research labor. During these 15 years we had interviewed hundreds of retired people which worked on the factories. The answers to many of questions were very consistent, and that why to any replies, statements, philosophical retorics [from collectors here] I can answer this: I invested into this research 20 years of hard labor, starting the research with helping Jean Loup [Princelle] for his first book "300 copies of Leica". I am sure that not a single person in the world had given this subject that much time for research of materials for Jean Loup and out book.

This is my reply in regards to discussions and arguments about the Iskra, whether it's fake or not.

If you have any more questions - write, the rest is in the book.
That's all I wanted to say.

Best regards,
Viktor Suglob.




Привет Влад.
Давно не писал, вот выдалась свободная минутка, и решил написать пару строк.

Мой друг Айдас с моего разрешения отправил несколько фотографий из книги. Эти фотоаппараты прислали знакомые ребята из Москвы. Они были сфотографированы широкоугольным объективом, что вызвало искажение на аппаратах. Мы просили их переснять, но ничего из этого не получилось и нам пришлось их выравнивать на компьютере. Хозяин этой коллекции категорически отказался встречаться с нами, чтобы мы сфотографировали аппараты сами. Дело в том, что, с его слов, у него была большая коллекция, он хотел продать ее, но его обманули и ограбили. Поэтому он не хочет ни с кем встречаться. И согласился только на фотографирование через посредников.
Что к нам попало, мы попытались исправить и поставить в книгу.
Это касается и Искры 3, которая была вообще страшная, т.к. снята была мощным широкоугольным объективом. Многие аппараты, после долгих просьб были пересняты нормально.
По поводу искры 3 . Когда мы были в Красногорске, работники, которые работали на конвейере, и они вспомнили, про Искру 3 такая была. Сведений подтверждающих эти слова, сколько мы не искали, не нашли.
Также мы беседовали с конструктором Падалко, он рассказал нам такую историю. Что по просьбе министра Устинова (в эпоху Брежнева) он создал аппарат типа поларойд и сегодня он не помнит его названия. Хотя он по-прежнему работает на заводе. С его слов выпущено было много аппаратов, это были экспериментальные партии, которые нигде не отражались в документах, или делались как подарочные варианты.
Лично мне он подарил аппарат Фотон супер 1 (зенит) под номером 1. он находится, кстати, на обложке книги.
Эти малые партии не попадали в плановые отделы, т.к. были экспериментальными или подарочными.

Кстати, у меня есть фотоаппарат «Спорт 1», которого нет нигде в документах, но он у меня есть, как и много других фотоаппаратов в моей коллекции, которые не вошли ни в один подтверждающий документ заводов-изготовителей и которые нельзя подделать (в моей коллекции их десятки). Вопрос, что же это такое и кто их изготовил (на коленях их изготовить просто не возможно и нереально, «изготовить на коленях фотоаппарат» - это любимое выражение – Жан Лу). В общем, так, когда выйдет книга, коллекционеры всего мира возликуют от нашего материала, которому мы – авторский коллектив отдали 15 лет упорного поискового труда.
За эти 15 лет мы опросили сотни людей-пенсионеров, которые работали на заводах-изготовителях. На многие наши вопросы ответы разных людей были практически одинаковыми. И поэтому на разные реплики, высказывания. И философские риторики я могу ответить одно: я вложил в этот поиск около 20 лет упорного труда, начиная с поиска и помощи Жан Лу для его первой книги «300 копий Лейки» Я уверен, что ни один человек-коллекционер в мире не отдал столько времени поиску материалов для Жан Лу и нашей книги.

Это мой ответ по-поводу споров об Искре, подделка это или нет.

Если есть вопросы, пиши, а остальное в книге.
Вот и все, что я хотел сказать.

С уважением, Виктор Суглоб


Hi Vlad,

Thanks for the translation of Viktor's letter. So now we know that these photos were doctored and have an explanation as to why it has been done. Sounds like a good reason to photoshop the photographs and also like Viktor had no choice but to do it if he wanted to include these cameras in the book.
I'm sure no one is questioning Viktor's devotion and huge amount of fine work to bring this book to us and other collectors. I know he has worked very hard and, as he says, we will rejoice at his new book. I'm sure it will bring many hours of discussion and pleasurable controversy.
Vlad, please thank Viktor for an explanation for the photo-manipulation that our sharp-eyed members have spotted!

Regards, Bill

Now there is only the waiting fo rthe book. Do you others feel like a 5y old boy one night before christmas...

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