just arrived in my collection

Hello Fred,
YES, the "Moment" cameras have the only serial number on the lens.

Regards, Alexander

Hello Alex

Thank you for information...
I have been searching for so long time to find a second number on my bodies.....

An interesting 1949 Kiev III not common.
A comparison between this one and a wartime Contax III. Soon!

Amitiйs. Jacques.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1772011_Kiev III 1949 001.JPG

Bravo, Jacques
rather rare camera.
I found Kiev-III from 1948 some time ago. Perhaps they have much in common.




Regards, Alexander

Yours is much rarer, Alexander.
It has an "A" serial number?

Amitiйs. Jacques.

My last born: a 1949 Kiev II.
More common than its brother 1949 III.
Jacques.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1972011_Kiev II 1949 016.JPG

FED 1948 ZORKI, unfortunatley without orginal lens...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2472011_fedzorki.jpg

Zenit Labo: KMZ Logo Made in USSR on the sole

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/782011_Labo.jpg

Labo is nice, I hope I will get it somewhere...

Body from Russia, lens in Estonia. Both have serial 86...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/982011_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/982011_02.jpg

Here is my liliput, now looking for maliutka


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2582011_lilput1.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2582011_liliput2.jpg

Another KIEV II from 1949. It comes with a collapsible Zorki ZK. There are some interesting details, Focus wheel like a Contax (with groove), rewind knob with 4 instead of 3 milled rows, but no more flatened "3" on focus helix and film reminder wheel (see pictures).

The collapsible Zorki has no serial numer inside (as the Sonnars) but it has an hand engraved number inside, the number is 197. So maybe this was the time when they went from Sonnars to self made Zorki lenses?

Another interesting thing is that the shutter has a hand engraved number too inside. It looks similar to the hand engraved number on my very early Kiev II from 1950 and the serials are only 2400 numbers different.

Does anybody know if there was a time when the shutters were numbered by hand? My first thought when I saw this number on the 1950 Kiev was that it was later made. But now when I see a similar engraved number on the 1949 Kiev I think this could be factory made.











Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Alexander,

a great KIEV III! Specially the lens with it's serial number...

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Ulrich,

very interesting information. I have also a Kiev-II from 1949 with a collapsible Zorki ZK, BUT the lens has s/n 4900415 and DOES NOT have any hand engraved number inside.
The Soviets had to register all separate parts for the new Kiev-Contax cameras (and for another cameras as well ) and it could be possible, that since some time they started to register these lens-parts for some internal use too.

Regards, Alexander

Very interesting, Ulrich!
Do you have a picture of the hand engraved number near the shutter?
It seems I have seen something similar on one of my 1950 Kiev II, but I don't remember exactly where it was...

Amitiйs. Jacques.

Jacques,

I did not make a picture of the engraved serial number of the 1949 Kiev but one of the 1950 one. The 1949 serial engraving style looks similar.
To see that number you have to disassemble the camera partly (take off the top).



Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Thanks, Ulrich.
Soon I will check on one of my early Kievs.

Amitiйs. Jacques.

Today I got home FED-C "Komandirskij FED", serial 138730 carera and 26504 lens making it approx 1940.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/192011_FedC.JPG



Best regards,
Juhani

Fine, Juhani!
With a hole in the press film, I suppose?

Amitiйs. Jacques.

Yes!

Best regards,
Juhani