just arrived in my collection

quite interesting, first time I see sync sockets installed on these!

Alexander, nice find! These preseries are quite hard to get! Mine is a bit different with silkscreened logo:

Bravo, Juhani!
To Vlad and Alexander: thanks for these rare Kiev 19M preseries...

Here, a Red Flag: I had the chance to get it at auction at a bargain price...



Amitiйs. Jacques.

Congratulation Jacques. Which S/N ?

Thanks, Alfa.
S/n 200977. Nothing strange about that camera, except an extra part inside the bottom plate. Probably not important, but I will show that in a separate thread.
Amitiйs. Jacques.

Red Flag is always Red Flag. A very rare thing.

Found this the last time. It's a mixure of a 1947 Kiev and a 1949 one and some later parts. After a discussion with altix it has a 1947 body shell and rangefinder parts and a 1949 shutter and lens. There are name markings with pencil under the film pressure plate and inside the top cover. The front mask must be later, early fifties.
The history of this camera would be interesting but I know nothing about it.





Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Congrats, Ulrich.
A 47 Kiev is always a rare camera, even if it's not completely original...
I own a '47 one too, repaired (or remounted) with a 1949 shutter box. The rest is original and was seen by Altix too.

Amitiйs. Jacques.

Jacques, thanks. Yes, an original one with all original parts would be nice. But as Altix says "a 47 Kiev with a 47 shutter is a miracle" :-) But even if it is not original, it was a bargain, I've found it in a "Konvolut" of Kiev cameras.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Hi all!!!

Some of new cameras arrived at home....

One more caemra with flash sync: Fed Red Flag
2 Yura cameras, probably fakes but we can see the top cover is colored in different grey (mate), especially on 984
One beautifull Fed 1-a

Fred

Hi All!!

I got this set a few months ago
It seems to be complete?
Your comments are welcome!!

Fred

Hi Fred,
it is very nice find, but this lens doesn't belong to set. On this place must be a film development spool.

Regards, Alexander

I recently bought a Kiev-4A #6603499T with Jupiter-8 #6604340T at ebay. The Jupiter has got a coating that seems to be more blue than comparable lenses.
I was quite lucky to find another Topographical-Kiev (#6113396T) one week later. The second one comes with a ordinary Jupiter-8 from 1963.

Congratulations ! Very rare cameras. Please post s/n on the wiki.

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Originally posted by jed

Congratulations ! Very rare cameras.

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Jed,
why rare? What does this "T" mean?

Regards, Alexander

Hello Alexander,

In the wiki only 3 cameras are listed. Now we have 5...
I own one 🙂
Vlad said a friend told him the camera was designed to take pictures from a plane. ґTopographical' camera : T.
Jean

Nice find! Alexander, see here http://ussrphoto.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3073

OK, thanks for explanation.

Regards, Alexander

Did "T" have a different meaning on Zeiss, like multicoated?
I am sure I have seen it on some lens just can't remember which...

Best regards,
Juhani

The Soviet lenses in the 1950ies do have a red "П" to indicate a single coating.

"T" on Zeiss lenses indicates a single coating, invented by Alexander Smakula (born in the Ukraine) for Zeiss in 1935. They used it until 1945 mostly for military optics. In 1940 the first Biogon and Sonnar Optics for the Contax Rangefinder with a "T"-coating were shown. By 1950 all Zeiss lenses were coated and marked with the red "T". Later they introduced the "T*" multi-coating.

"T" stands for "transparency optics", in Russian "просветление оптики" (pronounced "prosvetlenie optiki" and meaning a "better shining-through of optics".
More information: https://lenspire.zeiss.com/photo/app/uploads/2018/12/en_About-the-reduction-of-reflections-of-camera-lenses.pdf

Thank you, treehorn.
This explanation seems more plausible to me than “tropical” or “topographic”. Otherwise serial number of the camera has 'T' as well and on the lens with russian inscription I would expect 'П' (просветленный), but not 'T'.