Lowest serial number for "Zorki-Zorki"?

Hi Ulrich,

Thanks for the data !

Regards,
Michel.

Hi again,

... just back to our old discussion ... BTW engraved markings are smaller size on the early export Zorki ...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/zorki-export_early.jpg

Best Regards,
Aidas

Hellow, Ulrich!
I would bring in some amendments to your qualifier: last known to me Zorki, made in december of 1949 year number 18220, and in 1948 year FED-Zorki number 03347.
dmzi

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Originally posted by uwittehh

Michel,

I have found the numbers in the web. As far as I remember the
Zorki numbers are from lausch.com, the FED numbers I have found at fedkas site (all serial ranges approx.)

Zorki SERIAL NUMBERS
1948: 500 - 2136
1949: 2137 - 17137
1950: 17138 - 55324
1951: 55325 - 125826
1952: 125827 - 254579
1953: 254580 - 406730
1954: 406731 - 667231
1955: 8 digits begins with year
1956: 8 digits begins with year

FED SERIAL NUMBERS
1934 SN 000031 - 004000
1935 SN 004001 - 016000
1936 SN 016001 - 031000
1937 SN 031001 - 053000
1938 SN 053001 - 082000
1939 SN 082001 - 116000
1940 SN 116001 - 148000
1941 SN 148001 - 175000
1942 - 45 (World War Two)
1946 SN 175001 - 176000
1947 SN 176001 - 186000
1948 SN 186001 - 203000
1949 SN 203001 - 221000
1950 SN 221001 - 248000
1951 SN 248001 - 289000
1952 SN 289001 - 341000
1953 SN 341001 - 424000
1954 SN 424001 - 560000
1955 SN 560001 - 700000


Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

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Excuse, and this camera works on slow speed?
dmzi

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Originally posted by nathandayton

I still have not gotten all of my cameras out and on shelves but here is one of my Zorki/Zorkis


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/ZorkiZorkissf.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/ZorkiZorkisst.jpg

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It is a prototype that never made it into production. Yes the slow speeds work and it is the smoothest working Zorki or FED that I have ever seen, every bit as smooth as a Leica.

my zorki zorki is 32999

Stephan

The earliest s/n indicates that 1950 was the year when USSR began to export cameras in large numbers. The earliest dual logo Kiev II was also made in 1950 IIRC. These early export Kiev IIs (before 1952)are much less common according to my experience.

And today I got a 1950 serial 32198 (with Kazan lens) which is second youngest here? I believe it was worth 55 euros I paid


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/ZorkiZorki_1b.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/ZorkiZorki_1b_32198.JPG


But is this 1b as serial would mean or 1c as Zorki-Zorki is commonly referred as?




Smena rules

Hello Juhani

It's a "Zorki-Zorki" export model of the Zorki 1b, absolutly. There exist export models of all Zorki's beginning with the Zorki 1b.

Best wishes - Guido

Hi,

I have one with a rigid black face I-22. Body s/n 138454, lens s/n 5210910.

Regards.

Zhang

Thanks to this Topic, we have a grave list of 7 early export cameras already:

#24831 Aidas coll.,
#24844 seen on eBay this year,
#31869 Okynek coll.,
#32198 Juhani coll.,
#32870 Jacques coll.,
#32999 Stephan coll.,
#33201 Ulrich coll.

More early numbers anyone?

Best Regards,
Aidas

Hi again,

very nice early Zorki-Zorki #27507 can be found on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230313602147#description

BesT Regards,
Aidas

Here is mine, bought it today for parts, as I am rebuilding another Zorki that was faked into a Leica Kriegsberichter.

This camera is already non-original, only the top plate is Zorki-Zorki, since it also has a serial number to the back side. It's more of a Franken-Zorki, really, so I do not feel bad in parting it out.

The top plate I will of course keep :)
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/8712ALX_0120.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/8712ALX_0119.jpg

Knobs and levers, accessory shoe and finder collars will be transplanted (happy to have found collars that are worn and showing brass, the Kriegsberichter-fake is not supposed to be an as-new camera once I'm done)

Bottom plate will hopefully fit my FED 1s that had it's bottom plate machined to de-chrome it by some Leica fakers. Lens has fungus, but mount will be used to fit a Perfex Wollensak 50mm 2.8 lens into. My first RF-lens hack!

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Originally posted by AidasCams

Thanks to this Topic, we have a grave list of 7 early export cameras already:

#24831 Aidas coll.,
#24844 seen on eBay this year,
#31869 Okynek coll.,
#32198 Juhani coll.,
#32870 Jacques coll.,
#32999 Stephan coll.,
#33201 Ulrich coll.

More early numbers anyone?

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Yes, now I own one with earlier serial number (24824):



Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Fine!
It seems that the 24xxx is the earliest for the double engraving...

Amitiйs. Jacques.

Yes, until we find a lower one ;-)

Today there was one with serial number 26xxx on ebay, with matching box! I did not get it, maybe someone of us here?

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

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Originally posted by uwittehh

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Originally posted by AidasCams

Thanks to this Topic, we have a grave list of 7 early export cameras already:

#24831 Aidas coll.,
#24844 seen on eBay this year,
#31869 Okynek coll.,
#32198 Juhani coll.,
#32870 Jacques coll.,
#32999 Stephan coll.,
#33201 Ulrich coll.

More early numbers anyone?

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Yes, now I own one with earlier serial number (24824)

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Congratulations Ulrich,
the earliest I know about is mentioned in sovietcams.com PM1050 #24005. Aidas must have changed that not so long ago.

Lenny, interesting. Now we should see if there are any Zorki-Zorki that have a lower serial number than 24000 :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

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Originally posted by uwittehh

Lenny, interesting. Now we should see if there are any Zorki-Zorki that have a lower serial number than 24000 :-)

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Ulrich, I never saw #24005 and #24097 which is/was mentioned on sovietcams. Would be great to have those 2 pictures here too.

Few years ago I saw #24252 but I forgot where I saw it and I didn't copy the photo, so who knows if that one was original.

Because you posted your picture here your #24824 should be the first original one and the serial is so cute.

Zorki-Zorki with slow speed dial is really impressive. I have heared about prototypes but never saw any of them before.

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Originally posted by uwittehh

Michel,

I have found the numbers in the web. As far as I remember the
Zorki numbers are from lausch.com, the FED numbers I have found at fedkas site (all serial ranges approx.)

Zorki SERIAL NUMBERS
1948: 500 - 2136
1949: 2137 - 17137
1950: 17138 - 55324
1951: 55325 - 125826
1952: 125827 - 254579
1953: 254580 - 406730
1954: 406731 - 667231
1955: 8 digits begins with year
1956: 8 digits begins with year
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Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

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As dmzi noticed. Are these numbers OK ?
In 1948 KMZ produced much more than 2136 cameras. FED-Zorkis with S/N above 3000 have 1948 engraved, isn't it ?