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Hi Enzo, according to Princelle this is a prototype 6x12cm on 120 rollfilm camera. In his book he shows the one with lever film wind, this one appears to have a knob wind. I think this may be his reference K2802/ the Photokina prototype as he mentions the 'upper hood' is reduced in size with shutter release by button instead of lever. Comparing the picture in Princelles book, I can see that the Leitz one has a thinner top cover and the shutter release button appears to be on the back of the camera rather than the front. It also has handles on the sides of the camera, not present on the Princelle example.
The world is going mad - quite who in their right mind would spend over 6,000 Euros on this escapes me...
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Steve
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Hi Steve,

thank you for your kind, interesting reply.

I will take home from my lab, my two 205 cameras that, besides minor (more aesthetic than functional) differences between them, are almost identical to Leitz Auction's piece: both with side handles, both with rear-located shutter release, both with film advance knob etc. and identical "Zenit", padded nylon carrying case with adjustable shoulder strap.

I don't have my Princelle at hand so, I cannot compare the hereby discussed camera, with the piece illustrated in that invaluable book...

Re. the estimate and start price given by Leitz Auction's experts, that's upon them and their knowledge of the market and of the collecting community: the 205 is rare, it was never put in series production like the 202 and the S3Pro (not to mention those made on behalf of the Lomographic Society). This explains why they decided to give such a high valuation.

In the catalogue's description it is reported of a limited run of 20-or-so cameras ever produced.

Here: http://ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=5&ParentID=1&ContentID=307&Item=Horizon+205+PC+%28Panoramic+Camera%29 the colleague Nightphoto created the Wiki-Catalog page on the 205 (updated with the data of my two pieces); there, he reports as follow:

"(...)The prototype of this medium format model was made circa 1992 and a pre-production model shown at Photokina in 1994. Very few of these cameras have been produced, possibly as few as 24 (as stated on the KMZ website production page), or maybe a few more than that.(...).

Does anyone know the link to where KMZ declares the number of cameras they made?

In my opinion, the story (and the yet untold story) about this heavy, beautiful camera, still waits to be written!...

All the best,

Enzo
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Be very careful when cocking shutter. dont make a mistake.I could test it at photokina. but didnt have enough time. couldnt get a reasonable result. be aware: below 5m-like with widelux 1500-resolution will decrease. Met a friend in youth hostel who told me when he has seen it at the stand camera broke. i can understand. its slow photography. slowly cock the shutter and mount film the right way.
price still around 2300 euro.
If then i would be interested in Pan 120.
these mechanic rotapancams have ONE decisive advantage infront of NOBLEX: when its windy Noblex cannot rotate. or only with uneven rotation. Had both in helicopter.
i know why there is no 1/250. all mechanical rotapan-cams have a problem during start.even if film is shorter that 120mm. some millimeter are overexposed.
would like to know how exactly is filmsize. and we would like to se a comparision shot maybe of a house with and without shift(7mm).
use a cable-release. and tripod. and focussing must be done properly. i could provide DOF-table. if lens has same CoC(sharpness) like Widelux 1500. Z= 1/48. i added marker inbetween distance-scale.
if somone could write my handwritten data into a table.

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1. there has never been a horizon 205, fact.
2. size of film is not 6 x12
3. reason why not quicker than 1/60 is the old widelux/widepanproblem with overexposure at start. we tried to improve on my w1500 but overexposure only moved a bit to the left, start of 50 x 122mm. all details in my forum: new domain rotapancams.net
NEVER EVER THINK ABOUT BUYING widelux 1500. bad surprises are waiting. wrong design and production from 3rd parties. also second one -replacemtn by panon: crap. spend 5800 usd for crapcam. spent another 2000 chf for overhaul. it was my repairman who found out what was wrong.i made DOF-table.found a similar one discussing COC. its really 1/48, i compared universal DOF table with mine. COC if not defined by producer is individual, depending what is critical sharpness from A to B.
4. dont expect sharp images below 5m.also not on 205 PC and PAN 120(Manfrottos Export Model looking totally different).
for W1500 closeup lens was made, never saw results. for widepan 140(2 different models) closeup lenses were made seen on ebay.!Noblex seem to have solved that problem maybe due to smaller slit or different optic. who knows? i used first model nr, 19 with closeup lens resulting in very sharp images. noblex has better coating. better in difficult light. lens needs slit-sunshade. made for both. same on Roundshot 65/70/220.on noblex uv-filter with slit-tape. on other slitted cap on roundshot covered with velvet.
maybe i will replace that with musou velvet= darket black see also its paint.
due to long FL of 50mm these cam are not easy to focus or taking decision what distance to set. true for nearer distances. i added inbetween markers e.g. in DOF table named. 3.1- 3.2. so we had 3 ' ' 5 etc.
thats why i had troubles getting sharp images in narrow photokina space aroun KMZ-stand. at least i got berlebach tripod.
mechanical rotapancams have big advantage over noblex. under windy conditions better for gettin electronic noblex altogether.
only 3 exposure times is a bit mess on these. doublexposures impossible camera will shake/move when cocking. one must attach/change ND-filters. someone made magnetic filter sistem for widelux 1500. Dont buy for shooting. lens is misaligned.one side unsharp!!!!!!and terrible banding nit light leaks.
read elsewhere maybe photrio about details or in rotapancams.net if you register.also noblex prototypes offered for high prices.

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Originally posted by AidasCams

Happy to say, that Pan-120 (export version of Horizon-205 PC) today arrived safely to me from Sweden! While beeing a big man, this camera doesn't seems as matchboxes when hanging on my neck ... Big smile


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/pan-120.jpg

Regards,
Aidas




Rainer K. Lampinen Tampere created the shiftlens-design and let it to KMZ-Zenith. he also created Technopan. identical to S3Pro but with 202-lens so most perfext. see diffraction at 11/16 for S3Pro and other models of the newest series.

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Hello,

I am a hobby photographer where only sometimes photography enters in my profession.

In the late 80s until the mid 90s I've been a passionate collector of USSR-made cameras and lenses; a collection that between 2000 and 2007 I've sold with no regret, happy for how amusing and instructive it was (ok, I kept for me, not selling the Kiev-1947...). Now, I am buying some again, remaining in the Kiev rangefinder area. I like panoramic cameras too, and that explains why with some luck I've found two Horizon-205 PC cameras...

I wouldn't say that the Horizon 205 PC doesn't exist: I have two of them (one purchased in Moscow at a photo dealer, "Fotozentr" ul. Gogolevskij, December 2015. The camera, after its "Pasport" was made in 2011 and "revised/improved" in 2015, all added with the "OTK" stamps.

My second 205-PC was property of an Italian photographer, who purchased it at a photo dealer in Milan (he lost the papers), but remembering that it was imported by Manfrotto.

The "Pasport" of my first 205-PC indicates the format as 50x110, as also stated in its original instruction booklet (Russian language).

So, it's a fact too, that 2 Horizon-205 PC are property of someone (me), one more, was in auction, and further pieces do exist and are reported here and elsewhere through photos of actual cameras.

Said that, and writing as a hobbyist only, I can say that the Horizon-205 satisfied me either in its functionality or in results. The scans I've posted above, are just low-res ones from bright, detailed negatives.

Wishing a nice weekend,

Enzo (E.L.)

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